I was a pile builder for many years. And at least one of those guys is a pile builder, learned from the same person I learned from. First one I "built" was at Lake Killarney back in the mid 70's. It produced bass and crappie at least until 1980. Is it ethical? Good question, but then MDC builds piles every year and provides the public coordinates, which just encourages the public to build their own. Does it help the fish population. Maybe a little overall, but MDC thinks so. They do concentrate the fish, making them more accessible. Here's a question for you and the others. Almost all tournaments are held on public waters, built with our tax money. Is it ethical for people(tournament organizations) to make money off of them? A lot of the other users of the lakes don't like tournaments at all. NASCAR, etc don't hold their events on public roads. I've been thinking about this quite a bit especially since I got out of the tournament thing. I know a small permit fee is required, but is that sufficient, especially when several organizations make their "living" off of public waters that we paid for? I personally don't know if it is right or wrong, just wondering if any others have thought about this.