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  1. Guns are a tool- and just like it's tough to build a house without a hammer, it's tough to mow down dozens of people in a few seconds without an AR-15 or similar high-capacity weapon. I need to kill a lot of people quickly- that's the problem these guns solve. And it's up to us to determine whether everyone in society- regardless of mental or emotional state- needs to have that solution at their ready disposal. If we're gonna say "it's just a tool," then let's be honest about what the tool does. We can make the same argument that dedicated people will find a way around border walls, or find a way to slip through security. We still eagerly implement those measures in the name of safety. It's interesting two years ago we couldn't afford a single refugee in the country because on in 10,000 might be a terrorist, yet today the routine murder of American youth is an acceptable tradeoff for a strict interpretation of constitutional doctrine. The uniting principle in those two positions isn't security, safety, or even law- it's a cavalier attitude towards the lives of other human beings. They'll make a sacrifice so you don't have to. It's greed.
  2. It's a shame you don't realize how bored you must be.
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    Current River Concerns

    When its dry like this, that's when I notice the horse trails the most- pounded into powder. To me, it's pretty obvious who's running trail rides on the upper Current. But horses and ATVs are easy enough problems to solve (provided there's a will to do so) that transferring ownership seems a pretty extreme response. I'm not sure MDC has an interest in managing the upper Current, that they'd be able to allocate more resources to protection than NPS, or that they'd be better equipped to tackle these problems- which occur on conservation areas, too. Any agency managing ONSR is going to have exactly the same problems. It'd be a political nightmare and I'm not even sure how it would work- given how much of the upper river isn't directly owned by the Feds, but rather managed through easements. If those agreements had to be re-negotiated to transfer ONSR between federal and state agencies....I could foresee it doing far more harm than good. IMO the solution isn't switching owners, it's making sure ONSR personnel fulfill their legal obligation to protect and maintain the quality of the park. A citizen nonprofit- recreational users, businesses, etc- like what they've created on the NFOW and the James around Springfield- may help. Problem is, there's such animosity between the folks who use ONSR and the folks who live around it that I don't think they'll be coming together anytime soon. That's really the biggest problem with ONSR- the circular firing squad makes it easy to maintain the status quo.
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    What Factors influence the Smallmouth population

    ...triploid fish are sterile. Their genetic advantage is they never have to allocate energy towards eggs and milt, which means that genetic advantage will never be conferred to their offspring. They're Eunuchs. Dump a bunch of sterile fish into a stream hoping they'll mate with the natives to produce better fishing through superior genetics, and you'll be sorely disappointed. What's more- you'll have fast growing fish which can't spawn competing with slower-growing native fish which CAN spawn- depressing the entire population overall. You're not just doing nothing, you're putting considerable effort into making things worse. That's why it's so important the people understand genetics before leaping to it as a cure-all.
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    What Factors influence the Smallmouth population

    ...that isn't the way natural selection works. You don't go from a 12" fish to a 20" fish, you go from a 12" fish to a 12.2" fish. It's incremental, but many in the general public mistakenly look at genetics as some sort of silver bullet. It isn't. South Koreans are eight inches taller (on average) than they were a century ago. Guatemalans are five inches taller, on average. Their genetics haven't changed drastically in three generations- what has changed is their access to food, shelter, and healthcare. There's a link between genetics and growth- but it's dwarfed by the link between food and growth, or habitat and growth, or health and growth. Even if it wasn't the case- there's no reason to think "genetics" that confer advantages in one habitat would confer advantages in all habitats. I can drop a sumo wrestler in the Sahara- that doesn't mean when I come back five years later there'll be scores of little sumo wrestlers running around. 15,000 years ago everything north of the Missouri River was covered in a mile of ice- every smallmouth in Minnesota or Michigan or Wisconsin was a popsicle. They were all dead- every single one of them. The only places smallmouth could've survive were places like Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee. When the ice retreated the smallmouth colonizing those states carried a subset of genetic material from here. It's entirely likely Ozark smallmouth are more genetically diverse than those in states further north- not less. If it's a question of genetics, they're probably already present in Ozark smallmouth. But it probably isn't genetics. The relationship between fish growth and temperature isn't linear. Most species have an optimal window above which growth either slows or stops- all their energy is going into homeostasis instead of growth. The number of days in the growing season is irrelevant- what matters is the number of days in that window where smallmouth bass grow. Smallmouth don't grow much above 80 degrees- which means in the Ozarks, you can throw out a good chunk of the summer. Farther north, water temperatures may only rarely get above 80. The growing season's shorter- but the number of days they can grow is longer. Genetics isn't magic, and its impact on something like growth is minor compared to other factors. But dumping a truckload of Minnesota smallmouth into the Meramec is easier than convincing farmers not to run cows or backhoes or ATVs in their stream. But it's only a shortcut if it leads somewhere- otherwise, it's just a dead end.
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    FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

    If they're eating mid-water, on daphnia, they're almost certainly competing with native planktivores. So much for being benign. If they're scavenging the carcasses of sportfish, they're even more toxic than we thought. Last stop on the food chain.
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    FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

    A lot. Because the rods,the reels, the little slingshot deal, the rod holders, the bite alarms, the net, the sling, and the mini trampoline job are effectively one-time purchases. The hooks, the line, the weights, the High Nutrient Boilies...you're purchasing them once every few trips. You're purchasing the $15, $50, $100+ ticket every trip. Gar aren't carp, trout aren't carp, trout and carp don't often live in the same places, that there's no causal relationship between carp harvest and population declines or between carp fishing and trophy bass angling. But I'm not interested in re-litigating old topics. I'm not interested in the regurgitated talking points that carp have been around for 140 years (as though that means they're native, or that they've had no impact) or that carp are more nutritious than trout (as though bass have the option in most places). It doesn't matter. It didn't matter the first time you said it, it doesn't matter the tenth time you say it, it won't matter the hundredth time. If you don't understand that, it isn't my problem. If you don't understand the disservice you're doing to your cause, it isn't my problem. But if you're that intransigent, completely unwilling to look at the issue from anyone's perspective except your own...I have no idea why you're on a discussion forum.
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    FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

    $16.50 was the cheapest I saw for a carp ticket, going up to $100+ for the cherry spots. Trout/salmon went $45-$100+. I didn't see an option where you could still fish if you didn't want to pay, which I'm guessing means some significant percentage of that Six Billion Pound economic benefit is tied up in ticket costs. Tickets that wouldn't be sold here. Money that wouldn't be made here. This is going to come across as mean, and it isn't meant to be. Anyway, I apologize in advance. Dozens of people, on dozens of forums, for a decade or more, have had the same negative reaction to your posts and your behavior. That level of consistency doesn't happen by accident. The chances all of those people are wrong and you're right- it isn't likely. The problem isn't the message. People find the messenger an irritant. You could have used any one of those instances as a learning experience- after all, a good salesman caters his pitch to his audience. Instead, you just move forums- posting the same drivel to a different audience, yielding the same results, all the while kidding yourself you're doing anyone any favors. Somehow you've got it in your head that if you burn 20 bridges and recruit five new potential carp anglers, that's the same thing as victory. Maybe that's why progress in recognizing carp as a game species can be best described as...incremental. You're your own worst enemy, MOCarp. I can open a fishing magazine or log onto Facebook, Instagram and find people doing what you're trying to do- just better. No cut/paste and light on the poorly edited YouTube videos, no justifying carp fishing through harebrained analyses of economic or ecological impact, or misinformed comparisons to other species. No belittling of others- two adults disagreeing just means they disagree, it doesn't mean one is a clandestine bowfishing agent or that they gleefully huck carp onto the bank. That someone doesn't agree lockstep with your position- especially if that position is predicated on BS- doesn't make them an enemy. That someone is willing to call you out on BS doesn't make them an enemy, and I'm sorry you see the world that way. That leads us to my last point. I'm not ignoring you because, quite frankly, a lot of the things you say about carp (their ecological importance, economic importance, etc) is just simply BS. If it were just BS I wouldn't have an issue- but if you're able to convince a significant number of anglers your BS is true, that BS will have measurable consequences on state agencies and the management of other fisheries, not just carp. Because whether it's non-native trout anywhere, bass in Maine, pike in California, walleye in Wyoming...once a non-native sportfish has a constituency, it's much tougher to remove them, even when it's to protect native biodiversity. If you're the poster boy for North American carp fishing, I have absolutely zero faith that when the time comes carp anglers will distinguish between the fisheries where they're doing damage and the fisheries where they're benign. When there's a charlatan priming an audience, it's much more difficult for folks to talk reasonably, intelligently about an issue. That's why I'm not going to hit ignore. Dozens of people, from dozens of forums, for a decade or more, have reacted negatively to your behavior. Your solution is for everyone else to modify their behavior- ignore you- because you either can't or won't modify yours. Do I have that right?
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    FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

    I have. And you can't swing a sack of dead kittens out west without hitting a Brit, a German, a Dane, a Frenchman, or someone else from The Continent fishing for wild trout- doing something they can't do at home. There's carp in Colorado, in Wyoming, in Montana- and European tourists aren't knocking down doors to get at them. Perhaps that tells us something. But maybe you're right. Maybe tomorrow or next week or next year every single Texas resident will not only take up fishing, but will buy the rods,the reels, the hooks, the High Nutrient Boilies, the little slingshot deal, the rod holders, the bite alarms, the net, the sling, and the mini trampoline job to go fish for carp, thereby swamping expenditures for all other sportfish species. It sounds like magical thinking to me, but maybe you're right. Best of luck.
  10. SpoonDog

    Grand Isle LA

    Looks nice, I've always been curious about the DIY opportunities in that part of the world. Thanks for sharing!
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    Possible Strike 3.

    Take care, JD.
  12. SpoonDog

    FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

    Of course it bears mentioning most folks in the UK don't have the opportunity to fish for trout, salmon, pike, bass, etc. If they had the options available in the states, they may make a different decision. That makes a direct comparison between the economic benefit there and the economic benefit here is kinda meaningless. Carry on...
  13. Just google "MOCarp fishing forum." The guy's been on dozens of them- Nebraska, Iowa, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Mississippi. Banned from a couple of them. Nothing if not dedicated.
  14. Man. I started watching that video and had to quit a couple seconds in- that platform. All that removed bankside vegetation. The bare earth. The digging and fill dirt and log installation, and not a silt fence in sight. A twenty, fifty pound fish thrashing in a few inches of water right next to shore. I wonder how much bank erosion is caused by carp anglers and their quarry?
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    Poaching Story

    We've had this discussion before Wrench, and you still don't seem to grasp that your feelings are worth precisely as much as everyone else's. But just for funsies, let's say we convinced the state fish and game agency to pull the plug on walleye and paddlefish- two species that wouldn't persist without stocking. The state agency in charge of protecting fish and wildlife has now taken the position that it's alright to allow populations of native sportfish species to decline, even disappear, within large portions of their native range. You've just eliminated any justification for restrictive smallmouth regs. If zero's an acceptable population size for walleye, and an acceptable population size for paddlefish, it's an acceptable population size for smallies. No need for creel limits, for size limits, no reason to manage otters or giggers. We've set a precedent that sportfish will be fine, even if they're no longer present. MDC isn't perfect, but they're legally obligated to protect fish, forests and game. Eliminating that obligation doesn't strengthen it.

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