He is over the bobber and perch thing. He cast pretty well with his spinning reel but flipping out of the question at this stage. I have researched Ned rig, bought a few supplies and will be around table rock mid day Saturday. Hope to get motel and fish evening and early morning Sunday. Still trying to decide on Shell Knob or Kimberling City, available motel room may decide it for me, gonna try tonight to book. Research suggestested 1/16 oz mushroom jig, could not find at Academy or Cabelas today, not that small, all started at 1/8 oz. and bigger. I fish the Lousiana Gulf Coast couple times a year and the forumn I visit for that area is pretty raunchy and argumentative. I appreciate everyone's willingness to help and the fun you guys have.