Phil Lilley

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  1. We moved OAF to a new server last night so if you see problems on the forum let me know.
  2. Click on the names - Bennett Springs Maramec State Park Montauk State Park Roaring River State Park Barren Fork Creek Blue Springs Crane Creek Montauk Trout Park and Current River Eleven Point River Mill Creek, Little Piney Creek, Spring Creek, Stone Mill Springs Branch North Fork of the White River Maramec Springs Park and Meramec River Hickory Creek and Roubidoux Creek Capps Creek Niangua River
  3. Not many small browns. I haven't seen one less than 17 inches.
  4. Babler says he can't post. Anyone having problems, like not posting, send me a pm. If you can't do that, an email lilley @
  5. A little late posting but this brown was caught by Adam Bennett last week on a shad rap.
  6. It's not as much BS getting down... it's when will they be able to shut Table Rock down to make the repairs. That's going to be a while. It took 3 weeks to get TR down from 934 to 927 feet and that's not dropping Beaver at all. Now both are dumping at 20k cfs... more water in the system. It's going to be well into August before these lakes see normal levels, if then.
  7. Just been informed that there's a bladder stuck in the down position on the top of Powersite's spill gate. They think it's a airhose that's come off and they can't inflate the bladder. This keeps the level of Taneycomo at it's "normal" level. The bladders are deflated when they want to move more water through the lake at a lower level. Under normal flows, the bladders are inflated to keep it at the high or normal level. Bull Shoals will have to be dropped quite a bit before this repair happens. When they do the work, they'll have to draw Taney down for the duration of the repair. No telling when this will happen but it won't be for a while (weeks). Until then, Taney will be running a little low and fast. Most people won't even notice the difference.
  8. This too will pass...
  9. Saw this on FB... Corp sent me a text saying it will be 20k at noon. They should coordinate what they release to the public better. I'm sure it will be 20k - it's at 14k now.
  10. Good... get ahead of it. I'm sure it will go much higher.
  11. He's changed a setting - newer version of PHP. Takes a little time to work. But he said we'll work through all issues - it'll be ok.
  12. Release Notice: Table Rock Dam will go from 14,000 to 20,000 today at noon. All 10 gates will be open 6 inches.
  13. Thought I'd start another topic for this rain event. For seeing how much rain has fallen, I use Beaver jumped up from 1129.09 to 1129.26 between 6 and 7 this morning but didn't change at the 8 am reading. It has less than a foot of free board before they start to dump. Question is how much are they going to release? Table Rock has 4 feet of free board. It's at 927.01. Beaver area got a solid 3 inches or more. On east, we got a solid 2 inches plus. I don't think the James will rise too much - don't think TR got hammered like Beaver but TR is going to get a lot of water from Beaver pretty soon. I'm hoping TR can hold what has fallen so they won't have to run too much water through us next week. I don't think it's a matter of flooding for us, it's a matter of whether we will be able to get to our dock, to keep our dock open. This does mean that TR will stay high through the Memorial Weekend which doesn't bode well for resort and marinas. I feel for the State Park guys... and others affected by this high water.
  14. I've sent this to my server guy.
  15. I'll look into it.
  16. It'd be bad if you were sellling them in a shop... but the fish won't care. That sounds as if I'm kidding, but I'm not. A lot of baits are made to sell, not catch fish. The jig on the right will catch fish, if you put it in the right place, at the right time with the right action
  17. Next time I'm up there and catch one, I'll ask him
  18. Bull Shoals Dam is now releasing over their flood gates. 5400 cfs plus 12400 through turbines. Almost 20,000. Hope they increase soon! Table Rock is releasing 10000. Beaver is still holding.
  19. In the conference call yesterday with the Corp and weather service, Steve Bays explained what's next for our lakes - Beaver, Table Rock and Bull Shoals. Once Bull Shoals approaches flood pool, the Corps will balance all 3 lakes as to volume of conservation pool remaining (I think that's the term). They will try to keep the same amount of free space in all 3 lakes without spilling at Bull Shoals. He said they have to wait 7 days after the White River crests at Newport before they can release at Bull Shoals. Even then, the Mississippi's high water will come into play at some point. So in for a wild ride this month.
  20. Flow- I think so. Forecasting 2-2.5 inches of rain this weekend so it'll add more water to the system. Might run more but they'll have to run it through ALL the lakes including Bull Shoals. I guess TR can take some now they have it under 928.
  21. Shut down 7 gates. They're running 3,900 over gates and 7,900 through the turbines. 62.5 over the top and 53 from underneath. Level is 709 feet. Seems really slow compared to what it's been.
  22. I've been wearing out two apps on my iPhone the last two weeks -- the weather app and the USACE Little Rock app. After the rain stopped, it's been the corps app. I'm watching lake levels, as we watch 23,000 c.f.s. of water move past our resort here on Taneycomo. It's an amazing amount of water moving through the system, but what's more amazing is that Table Rock's level hardly budges after a day of 10 flood gates and three turbines of water is removed from the lake. Beaver's level remains the same because that water is being held. So will Table Rock's water as soon as the three lakes -- Beaver, Table Rock and Bull Shoals -- are balanced, according to the Corps. On the USACE app, there's a section called Lake Forecast. This gives either what a lake crested at and the date or the estimated crest level and the future date. According to the app, Bull Shoals is to crest at 692.3 feet on May 14th. When a lake or river crests, it usually means that's the level it stops rising and starts to fall. If this is true, either the flow into Bull Shoals will slow or stop or water will start to be released from Bull Shoals when the lake reaches 692.3 feet. My guess is that both will happen to some degree. Another level and flow I've been watching is the USGS water monitoring station at Newport, Arkansas. This information is given on the app labeled White River Basin. The reason this level and flow is important is because this section of the White River, before it dumps into the Mississippi River, was flooded a week ago. This is the reason the corps could not release water from Bull Shoals--it would add more water to what already was close to a record flow. We were told by Steve Bays, of the corps' Little Rock office, that officials couldn't release water from Bull Shoals until seven days after the White River crested at Newport. There is another section that has my interest, (and I'm not sure it has any bearing on our lakes,) but it's in the White River Forecast section. It shows estimated flows and levels of the Mississippi River at Arkansas City, AR, which is below where the White and Arkansas rivers enter. Today the forecast for crest is May 14th, four days from now. Again, I'm not sure what bearing this has on the future release of Bull Shoals, but it is another piece of the puzzle that the corps uses to manage water in the system. This morning, Bull Shoal's level is 691.01 feet. It is rising .63 feet every 24 hours, but this rate of increase is slowing as the lake rises. Still, it looks as if it will reach 692.3 feet on the 12th or 13th of May. What then? The answer and effects of that question will play out on Lake Taneycomo and the flow, or lack thereof. It makes sense to me that two things will happen. One, the flow from Beaver/Table Rock will have to be slowed or stopped until Bull Shoals starts releasing water. Bays said that the three lakes would be balanced as to volume of water in each, keeping about the same amount of freeboard space in each lake. The term freeboard is the amount of space available for water storage within the flood pool of a lake. Two, Bull Shoals, at some point, will have to start releasing water. How much, how fast? Hard to say, but I would guess that officials will release as much as they can, taking into account flows on the Mississippi and Arkansas rivers. The hope is that this water will be moved out of the White River system before more rain falls in the basin. A little rainfall in spotted areas won't hurt, but heavy, widespread rainfall will cause more flooding, especially in the tailwaters. The lakes simply can't hold much more runoff. Now, what that does for boating and fishing on Lake Taneycomo . . . Fishing off the bank or from docks has been tough with this high flow of water. Fish tend to seek out slower currents in which to float and pick off food as it flows by. This could be along the bank, behind structures in the water or on the bottom where the current is slower. Getting your bait or lure to these spots, even fishing from a boat, isn't the easiest thing to do without practice and a keen sense of where your bait is at any given time. I've said in past reports and articles, that if you're not losing jigs and rigs on the bottom, you're probably not catching fish. If you're not feeling the occasional tick of the bottom when drifting, your bait isn't being seen by trout on the bottom. Two things to do -- add weight and/or add line. No three things -- change where you throw the line. If I'm having trouble getting down in fast, deep current, I won't throw directly upstream as usual. I'll throw to the side or just a little downstream to the side and let the sinker take my bait to the bottom. Then at some point I'll have to reel back in and repeat when the line moves upstream and stops bumping the bottom. There is a fourth thing you can do, but it takes time to learn how to manuever. It's using your trolling motor to slow the boat down, allowing the weight to drop down to the bottom with the slack line this creates. But if you slow the boat down too much, your weight and bait will catch up to the boat and probably get hung on the bottom. This technique is a little tricky. Now if and when the water slows down, I think fishing is going to get really good! The fish will have had a vacation from fishing pressure for almost two weeks and the absence of high, fast water will make getting to the fish much easier. During this time, the Missouri Department of Conservation have been stocking rainbows as usual, so there will be lots of fish in the lake to catch. With Memorial Weekend just around the corner, and the influx of fish normal stocked for the busy weekend, trout fishing should be excellent.
  23. I missed it. They're releasing 12,500 cfs at Bull Shoals Dam. That's not much, but it's a start. Started a couple of days ago. BS is at 692.43 feet and rising 3 inches a day. Still running 20,000 cfs at Table Rock Dam. TR is 928.56 feet and dropping about 4 inches a day. Beaver is releasing 3,800 cfs and rising slightly.