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  1. I wanted to copy and paste my info but it won't let me. Here is the full document laying the whole program for trout statewide dated 2003. There is some really good reading in there about how trout fishing is supposed to be managed state wide. The tag info is on page 2 https://huntfish.mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/downloads/6254_4142.pdf The park concessions do get 5% of the revenue generated by license sales however.
  2. I thought the price was crazy as well. I guess they are going to raise it up substantially from the level it is at now to keep it open during heavier flows which requires them to drive new piers and do something more permanent. That is what i gathered from a couple sources that attended the meeting last Wednesday.
  3. I am not affiliated with the park at all but fish down there quite a bit and want to give my $.02 as to how I see it. The Conservation Dept. gets every penny of money brought in by trout tag sales. Nothing is given to the concessionaire or the park department so every $ put in for tag sales goes right back into conservation. That is part of the reason they have to make a decision on where the money will come from to fix the wooden bridge, they get their annual budget for maintenance and have to make the best decisions they can. I haven't been to the pool there for decades but it looks like it will take a chunk of change to fix that up and seems to be contributing to the water situations they have been having in the campground for the past 2 years. I think it would be nice if they were able to fix everything but the reality is there is only a certain amount of money to go around and I hear that the price tag on that bridge is somewhere around $750,000. As far as the hatchery goes, it is pretty empty right now and full of smaller fish which does make sense. The fish just spawned so they still have the eggs and young fry inside. The stocker size raceways are low because they have been stocking them all year obviously. Those narrow pens are filled with what will be next years stockers and they will grade them out into the bigger pools over the wintertime. If you go in the springtime all of the runways are full as they have a full years worth of stocker trout to supply the stream for the year. They had three events in October which they stocked large fish for, Ladies Day, Holland Derby, and the Redington showcase. I know they released a lot of lunkers and oversized stockers for those events and Ladies Day and the Derby might as well be called Fish Harvesting Festivals as the fish are overstocked and most of the participants at least keep all of the large ones they catch. They will also stock some of the worn out brood stock and other stockers into the urban program in a couple weeks so I am sure they are specifically reserving some for that. I just fished there for the past week and can confirm that there are lots of small fish in the stream and not a lot of what experienced fishermen would considered to be keeper size. Keep in mind that out of the 200,000 tags they sell at Bennett for the year they will stock about 500,000 fish. At least 75,000 of these tags will be kids and novice fishermen that will keep any trout they catch making sure they get their limit to bring home. If they all get their limits that is 300,000 fish just to those tags with the other fishermen taking out only the nice bigger ones over the last 7 months. Remember those smaller ones in the stream right now will holdover and naturally grow to a really nice size by March 1.
  4. That is a great price, just ordered some and I get to support Trout Unlimited with my purchase at the same time. Great Suggestion. Many Thanks.
  5. Most of the time i will try to get away with 5X mono. I think 6X flouro is needed now so you will always be good there. I will go up to 4X or even 3X skipping woolies or streamers though on the sinking tip. I tie a bunch of tandem rigs up for my father who can chew through tippet (and flies for that matter) at an unbelievable rate so I am too cheap when it comes to tippet. I really hate spending the money on the Flouro but more and more I am beginning to think it is worth the investment.
  6. Was there this weekend again and solely fished dries, action was pretty decent in Zone 1 with regular hookups on a beetle and caddis emerger as well as on light colored cracklebacks fished on top. I did not skip them at all but I saw a few guys getting them pretty good skipping them on the sinking line. I never seem to catch as many large fish on topwater but the size was pretty good. Saved a few for dinner about the 2 lb size but the average fish is much larger than previous years. The weather was fantastic and the crowds were much smaller than the previous weekends thanks to school being out. There was a decent crowd Saturday night but Saturday and Sunday mornings were nice to be able work the stream. The water is low and clear so make sure to scale your tippet down.
  7. I fished there this weekend and it was jam packed. Did most of my fishing by the island and a little around the bluffs in zone 2. With so many people tromping around and stirring up food it was tough fishing but there are plenty of fish in the stream. I averaged about 10 fish a day fishing for about 4 hours in the less crowded times with the bite obviously being unspectacular. I caught most my fish either with a beetle or skipping a crackleback. My sister and father were nymphing and not having much luck either maybe catching 5 a day. I did catch a few nice ones at about 2 lbs and my smallest one of the year measuring about 4 inches complete with its parr marks along with a couple bluegill. A NoLuck said there are quite a few browns in there these days. I hooked up with a couple nice ones but they sheared me off in the rocks both times. I expect the fishing to be picking up now with the summer rush over, it will be nice to have a stretch of stream to walk and not have to work around the bank fishermen. I did not notice the "Didymo" but there was a fair amount of standard moss flowing down the stream on occasion which i think can be attributed to so many people walking around and for some reason wanting to wade out right into the moss banks where the fish hold at. I am planning on heading back down again this weekend and interested to see if the fishing has picked up.
  8. I fished Saturday morning and evening and then again on Sunday morning. Crowds were in full force. I would find something that would work for a fish or two and then turn completely off. In zone 1 i tried dries and nymphs along with skipping woolies and cracklebacks and the hits were few and far between. Went to the high bank hole yesterday morning and tried the same thing with a little better luck than the day before but most of the hits were on the nymphs (RGN & San Juan Worm). I did go to a Hopper/Dropper for a bit and had 2 fish attack the Hopper and miss but got a few on a midge i was trailing underneath. The fish are there but i am sure that with the big crowds shuffling around they have plenty of real food to eat and don't need our imitations.Fish are rising here and there but aren't hitting anything in particular that I could find. The Hoppers I saw around are green in color.
  9. What type of fishing are you planning on doing? When at Bennett, if you are bait fishing in Zone 3 You don't need waders at all, there are plenty of places to fish that are shore based to fish from. Zone 2 has some pretty good bank access by the Dam and further down by the Whistle Bridge. The Fly water in Zone 1 is a little more limited in terms of bank fishing but it is possible. The spots in Zone 2 also for the most part aren't very deep in the wading areas so thigh deep at the worst is all you would be in. Zone 1 is much trickier wading is is considerably deeper in most stretches of when moving around the stream. I am not too familiar with the River access so I don't want to spread any wrong information about that but you can post in the Niangua section and I am sure OneShot or someone will help you out.
  10. I fished down there this past weekend and had pretty good luck fishing it deep in any slower water that I could find. The Red San Juan worm is always my go to lure when the water is high and murky and it produced a large number of fish albeit none above about 12". As NoLuck said the key is getting a good deep drift and managing your mends to work with the current. I don't think a single fish I caught was further than 15' from the bank. There was a midge hatch on both Saturday and Sunday morning and there were a few fish looking up, hopefully as the water slows down the topwater bite will pick up but for now everything is deep. I think the reason most weren't catching fish this weekend is that they refuse to fish where the fish are holding and instead electing to thrown their fly/lure out as far as they possibly can. The crowd was light this past week, I expect it to pick up now that schools are getting out for the summer.
  11. I was down there over the weekend but didn't fish at all. The water was still very high and off color. For perspective, it was still at the top of the whistle bridge. There were a few fisherman down there but hardly any fish being caught on Saturday at least. I walked the entire length of the stream round trip and saw one fisherman hooked up down in zone 3. Most of the flyfisherman were trying to fish the backwater areas above the Holland and Big Dam and the most fish I saw on a individual stringer was 2. From looking at the gauges it seems that the flow should be getting much closer to normal by the weekend time but with more rain in the forecast who knows what will be the case. The park seems to be ok though. the large campground by the river was open and there wasn't noticeable damage outside of a large tree down on the bank in Zone 1. It looks like a ton of effort was made to clean up the hatchery first as that was clean as a whistle. Kudos to Ben and his staff down there.
  12. Has anyone been by since they did the dredging? Unfortunately the only time I made it for C&R season was the very first weekend and work hadn't really started yet (plus i spent all my time in the best fly water in the park, Zone 3!). I am curious what changes they made to other spots on the stream outside of the hole directly above the dam. If anyone needs a fishing buddy I am planning to head down for opening weekend and will more than likely be the only guy in Zone 1 with an orange Denver Broncos hat on. 7 more days.....
  13. Bnorm


    Pray that the snow season in Colorado ends early so that you miss any potential pitfalls with runoff, but i think you should be fine. The fishing around Gunnison is incredible and having lived in CO for 19 years maybe my favorite in the state. Chances are any guided trip you are on they will float the Gunnison River which is really good fishing, if you have a chance try to take a trip into the Black Canyon. The Gunnison is a big river with pretty fast flows and is fished best by boat or raft, wading is doable but i wouldn't recommend it. If you don't want to float or go on a guided trip the 2 main Tributaries of the Gunnison offer great fishing as well. First is the Taylor River- classic mountain freestone stream with pocket water everywhere. Lots of private water around, but the area right downstream from the Taylor River reservoir holds some MONSTER trout but they can be tricky to catch (Mysis Shrimp Patterns rule but I have also had success with wooly buggers, if you don't have any mysis, use a white mini jig ). It is easy access right next to the road into the water and therefore can be crowded at times especially on weekends. Google "Hog Trough Taylor River" for some pictures of the lunkers that it holds. There are other areas closer to Almont to fish but like i said a lot of it is private so access is tough. Second is the East River- Winding freestone river on much flatter ground. I suggest parking at the Roaring Judy hatchery and then taking one of the paths from there down to the river. Easily wadeable and a nice amount of fish. Almost all of the water in that location is public. There are a lot more runs and riffles and less pocket water than the Taylor. Also if you have kids with you, Roaring Judy has 4 stocked trout ponds. 2 of the ponds have smaller fish and they are pretty easy to catch and bait is allowed. The other 2 ponds are larger and harder to access but hold some nice browns. Enjoy your trip, there is so much to see and do around the areas you are headed. If you want a good spot to setup camp by the East and Taylor look to stay in Almont which is about halfway between Gunnison and Crested Butte. Crested Butte has a great old mountain town feel and a cool little 4th of July celebration with fireworks and a parade and the restaurants and bars aren't too overpriced for the area.
  14. Thank you all for your answers, I guess this means a trip in the near future to check things out.
  15. My family has owned a mobile home near Bennett Springs for many years (35+) and have become more and more upset with what Bennett and their current campground have become. My simple question is: Are there any mobile home parks near Montauk? My google searches haven't led anywhere and I am hoping to find a new spot in the next year or so that we can purchase a new home for. Related question, does anyone have any experience (positive or negative) with any of the mobile home dealers in the area? I will cross post this in the Montauk section as well, feel free to delete if inappropriate. Thanks, BNorm
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