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  1. I'd like to get rid of all the dams, but I doubt that the native species could/would return on their own. Anadromous species just return to where they were hatched, I think, and if a dam has been in place very long it will have broken that cycle. All the minor species and the many invertebrates killed by impoundment would probably take a millennium to repopulate.
  2. trout are just trout- bass are fish, enjoy you have a great new friend
  3. Because of CITES we have good data on numbers of otter and bobcats taken in any year and where they were harvested. Between 1400-2000 otter taken per year the last few years state wide and average prices of $23-31. Peak harvest years would have been ~2012-2014 and about 4000 statewide, with prices ~$120. Going by reports on trapping forums not many target otters except in nuisance trapping. I've only seen otter sign locally in about three of the last twenty years, a few came through and stayed a while and seem to have moved on. Two were killed in my county in the '18-'19 season. There were
  4. It is the oldest Federal Hatchery still in operation, not the first. Baird Hatchery on California’s McCloud River, was the first Federal fresh water hatchery in 1872. There have been Federal hatcheries in most of the states and many were not related to trout production, in fact the Neosho people have told me that the endangered sturgeon and shiners were of primary importance to them, trout were secondary and done as mitigation for the lakes damage to native fish. The hatchery I recall reading about in the St.L area may have been state or Federal or idk, it was a few years ago and I was i
  5. You can find history of the fisheries https://library.noaa.gov/Collections/Digital-Documents/Fish-Comm-Annual-Rep#:~:text=The United States Commission of Fish and Fisheries,name was changed to the Bureau of Fisheries. They weren't The US Fish Commission was concerned with commercial fisheries and with sustenance fisheries, Sport Fishing is a post WW2 development, result of redistributed wealth and disposable time. As to the Crane stocking it was either before 1887 or not from the McCloud river per Rik Hafer- https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/lifestyles/rik-hafer-missouri-marks-140-
  6. My quote was from the link above, actually went there from your post, I did note that it was written by an Englishman, so had the potential to be either unbiased research or just rumor picked while he was in the area. I would have guessed that the railroad he referred to was SLSF or some early defunct system, but hey I know nothing about railroads or Crane. Then chances are the first stocking was after 1905?
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  11. I mentioned the the spots kinda tongue in cheek, but from what has been said and what I've seen elsewhere, I believe you may have lost the cool effect when you lost the trees. Having used a thermometer extensively in eastern streams, I am convinced that shade is most important in keeping the water cool enough for trout to thrive. I'd get busy planting (fast growing) trees on every south and west exposure, then east, before even considering any trout expenditure. Sufficient warming and you will invite the spots up there. The springs should keep it cool enough for the small mouth and trout in
  12. is it the salt that makes them fight more? or the ice? would they be just like what we have if they had to live here and adapt? It seems that all animals are more lethargic nearer to the equator and more active farther from it. When I lived in the northern tier of states I was more active than I am here in the subtropics.
  13. Rail access would have been a major factor. Actually they were sent out to obtain and ship to the east coast Pacific salmon eggs to replace the devastated Atlantic salmon stocks. The trout just happened to there too. I found this that tells at least a part of the story and has some pictures of the river now and then, scroll way down past all the adverts. http://www.mtshasta.com/history-of-the-mccloud-river-rainbow/
  14. Since the US fish commission first built the McCloud river hatchery in the 19th century, rainbow trout have been stocked every where in the world with the presupposition that they would be harvested. It's always been "put and take" the few places where they naturalized were accidents. But I'm guessing that if the invertebrates were scoured out in the flood that 6" stockers might mature and spawn before reaching 12", if the water is even cool enough for them to survive with no shade. If they grow faster set the minimum length longer.
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