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  1. They all look like perch to me. I have caught lots of sunfish that look like hybrids of some sort, never any pictures and don't usually remove them from the water if I can bump the barbless hook out. If I don't forget, I'll pay attention to the fins next spring. I'm pretty sure I've caught some splotchy fish here before, but... There was I believe a note on one of those pages saying maybe the fish in Eastern OK were shadow X rockbass.
  2. I could fish that, wrench. when I searched the two patterns you named both came up with bead heads. The flies I used to fish a lot looked similar to the one on your finger with out the "tail", I often carried the floss halfway round the bend. In March they might be #22-24,
  3. I always fished those chironomids on floating line in still water and bobbers weren't needed but they weren't beaded. I guess I'm wondering if the bead is what makes it a "midge" pattern?
  4. Is a bead required on a midge pattern? I didn't use them when I fished "small chironomids" often, many years ago. With a hard body, the weight of hook and rib always sank them, the beads look out of proportion to me, and must make them head heavy. My chironomids were mostly red with gold wire or black with silver wire, although I had a few in green, orange and cream; always on #18-20 and always with "gills", but that was still water in a far away place. For some reason I always think bobber when I see a bead head.
  5. I thought Al said shadow bass in this area, but the Elk inventory by MDC after 1998 lists Ambloplites rupestris and no other Ambloplites that I can find. Interesting that in that USGS page it says So a Mo. biologist is the source of some of the stuff they posted. And on this page https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?SpeciesID=372 USGS says about the Ozark bass It seems the Centerton hatchery didn't realize they had a new species and they just passed them "rock bass" out. About half the town of Centerton and several nearby areas drain into the Elk so it'd not be surprising if the Ozark bass are here and not recognized.
  6. What kind of goggle eye do we have in the Elk/Arkansas drainage?
  7. Which three colors do you go back to? Which two sizes have caught the most fish for you? I need to tie some up.
  8. Actually Phil didn't say it was too cold, he just mentioned temperature, that particular tail water might be to warm at the time of year they spawn or it might just fluctuate more than they can stand. at any rate the water is not what works for them. Maybe it has too many boots or not enough sand, maybe just when the eggs are ready to hatch the USACE opens a couple flood gates and kill them all.
  9. dang good thing too, carp are bad enough as an invasive.
  10. http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/topic/67446-lilleys-lake-taneycomo-fishing-report-august-31/?tab=comments#comment-585847 Phil Lilley said " Our brown trout do make a run to the dam area in the fall to spawn, although they are not actually successful creating any young trout. They go through the actions and lay eggs but because of water flow and temperature, none hatch. " That says they actually spawn but the eggs don't survive.
  11. It is proven that some genetic diversity is lost in hatchery fish and that might explain why they don't adapt. Or it may be that Germany is so much colder than southern Mo. that they have adapted as far as they can but not enough to be a successful invasive. In places like New Zealand where the German trout have become invasive they have devastated the native species. Ness, does Taney have long shoals with gravel bottom where the water is still lake bottom cold and flow is relatively stable in fall? Do the Ar. tailwaters? I ask because I'm not familiar with any of then- they are all outside my five counties.
  12. We'll never know. I think these guys have intimidated him with all the tractor "jokes".
  13. That's one I didn't know. But then according to the Federals they are an invasive in the Ozarks anyway. https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?SpeciesID=373
  14. What's your theory? Why? I'm guessing you hit on it; hours of light trigger the German trout. I'll guess hours of light also affect the springtime spawners, gets them moving, but because spring weather is fickle those species have added a temperature requirement to their genetics. Wonder if the water temps are the same every where when the sunfish start to spawn?
  15. Thanks Ness, I had read that before but had no idea where. They need colder water than our streams have.
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