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  1. Tried that with my son 247 and it DIDN'T work. He is 35 now and a very good fisherman, but he has a 2/3 hr. limit regardless of how the're biting. I have guided very few boys under 12 that can stay out for an entire 4 hr. trip regardless of how the fishing is. Just not the same as when we were kids. The harder at first it is the better the boys do. If you pull out and get right on fish, it's a "Been there and Done That scenario." They really get board in a hurry. You can put a fish in the well and that will entertain them to a point but that point is usually about 10 minutes. Girls on the other hand if you can get them out there and they want to be are fantastic. As soon as they catch one they want to catch another and really display lots of patients. When you tell a girl something she looks you right in the eye and most often says, " Can I try it." Most boys have Stevie Wonder syndrome looking off into space and shaking their heads. Not all, and my wife is a retired school teacher and she scolds me on this but it is a boy girl thing. 5 yr. old needs to go for an hour and then back in have some success and call it good. Marathon sections now with the current corp of youngsters and everything they have available to them is just not the ticket. My son also remembers those trips to Shell Knob and said that is one memory he wants to forget. Said the only good part was me taking him to the Steak Inn
  2. Lance I just started rigging, went to Truman last week. On calm water or a slight wind chop the fishing was fab. If boat wakes came by it was a total bust. We were rigging deep cove guts with the fish suspended in 10' to 15' over 25/35 feet. Never had a bite when we were bouncing from the boat wakes and there were plenty as that lake is totally full of crappie fishermen. Question is an you mentioned it. If you are bouncing due to boat wakes do you ever get bit?
  3. Indian point marina, down past Steal Your Dollar City.
  4. Great fish, you should have kept it. It came over the dam at Beaver. They try to shock them out but a few get away. Had to be a fun battle.
  5. Feel a little funny about making a Truman Lake report, but we went so here it is and maybe a little bit of very uneducated information. This is kind of a story in the works and I blame it all on the interweb as it got me going this Winter with nothing to do but sit here and spend money I don't have. Started watching Spider rigging videos and I got HOOKED. Was kind of hooked from last year seeing them work on Lake O. during turkey season, but the videos were the last straw. I got with Ed. of Southern Crappie Rods and fanangled a guide price deal and he set me up with 8, 14' Southern Crappie Rods. I also bought a dual front chair system and a Drift Master trolling set up and mounted it all on my 23' Alweld. Of course then I had to try it out. Side note, we only used 2 rods each so 4 was the max we used around the trees. Been reading all the Truman reports on the web and most have been crazy good so a few phone calls and some great folks on here got me and my buddy Mark on our way. Quick note there were no minnows available in Warsaw yesterday, but we were smart and I brought 8 dozen from Lilleys, which reminds me, I need to have them put on my bill On with the report, we hit Bucksaw at 8:30 and were about number 15 in line to launch. No problem as these people actually know how to launch and pull boats out. 4 rigs can launch at once and it is like a well oiled machine. When we pulled out a 3:30 Mark said there were over 100 rigs in the parking lot. We saw boats of every age and price you can imagine. One current theme was it didn't mater your boat cost or how old it is. 99% of the boats had PanOptics. We saw rigs including the pickup that cost less than their electronics These crappie fishermen are CRAZY about Livescope. and a 126 SV After the tips I received we went up and started at Pretty Bob Creek. I will tell you, the creeks from Jackson up to 13 hwy are totally full of fishermen. Seems like most of these folks are either Dipping trees or Spider rigging. We did not see a person make a cast all day and we at first were covered up with fishermen. One thing I was not familiar with was how close these folks will fish to you. We were even slightly bumped once as a guy went by us with his trolling motor in a narrow channel between trees. Huge lake but everyone concentration on the major creeks.and there were lots of folks. At one point there were over 20 boats in Bob and the next big branch up on the right. We caught a total of 37 crappie 5 whites and 1 channel cat fish. We caught everything rigging using either a Capps and Coleman or a Kentucky rig. Never lost a hook in all those trees, unbelievable. We had decided to keep only crappie between 12" and 16" so that's what we did, could have had two limits, but there is not enough meat on a 9" crappie for me to mess with. We kept 14 crappie and had just a scouche over 6 lbs. of fillets which we thought was super for a couple of dummies. We had 5 females and 9 male keepers. Big Caveat and no" PanOptics." The Lowrance HDS7 told me they were hanging in the 10' to 15' depth range over 18' to 20' so we used that old worn out machine to find our crappie, and did OK. Didn't see them snap at it but saw the rod tip dip or quiver and that was fine. We could not catch a fish on a soft plastic. Caught them all on double minnow rigs. Caught 2 of the white bass on soft plastic The Dippers/Dabber fishermen were interesting, they would scan the millions of trees and pull up and dab a jig or minnow on a rod that was 11' to 14' and watch the scope. Talked to one of these guys at long range. His mount put the 126 SV screen just below his chin. I'm guessing the mount was at least 5'. He said every tree in Truman in the last 10 weeks had been dipped. Said he could catch one here and one there but the majority ran from the bait like a chicken with its tail feathers on fire. He said in January at times you could catch a limit out of one tree. Now it was one or two no matter how many were down there. They were totally gun shy. We noticed that the smaller pockets, like maybe only 100 yrds. long were not being hit so we gave them a try and right off we started catching. We caught the majority of our fish out of 3 of these small pockets . If I were to go back I would concentrate on these small pockets only. They need to have at least 20/25 ft. of water however to make them work. Fish are pretty much suspended over the deepest part either on a tree or just suspended in the channel. The Lake reminds be of Bull Shoals only its very muddy. Still fantastic vistas and no houses to be seen . Surface temp was 56 in the small cuts. Creeks and big lake 51 degree. Just about zero visibility, looked like you were lowering your bait into plowed ground. I heard a guide say the crappie like it muddier the better and he was right. Good Luck
  6. Really nice Lake O report thanks for posting. Have not read back on your post but what mile mark are you fishing? Guide buddy fished the dam area today and said it was extremely challenging. He also said the pleasure boats were out in complete droves. Another buddy fishing the Mid Lake possibly where you are said he has been getting bit decent 45 mile mark. Most are in gravel pockets on a ned but that is pretty limited info. Said skinny bucks but he can get bit. Most fish in the 10' range and it had to be just gravel pockets. Said it was like watching grass grow but better than sitting in his lake house. If your 60 mile mark up the spoonbillers are out in droves and the crappie spider riggers are just getting started. Not many riggers yet in the major creeks but they are catching lots of crappie. Size has been pretty small so far, according to the reports from the guys with their feet in the water. Good Luck
  7. Couple of others notes from our trip. We watched a guy jugging for cats for a while using modified swim noodles and he was catching them. Didn't talk to him but looked like he was having a ball. Looked like he had a couple of dozen noodles out and he stayed close dipping trees for crappie and within bino. range of the noodles. We saw a couple of the noodles dancing. Also talked to a guy that had just been slaying the blues on rod and reel, using shiners or shad if he could get them. This was a buddy on the phone prior to us heading up. He also said he and another friend had been fishing Lake O. which is a lot more stable and catching suspended staging crappie in Deer Creek, the Big and Little Buffalo, Lick Creek, Rainey Creek, and Proctor Creek. Said you could catch them by the hundreds in open water with the Spider but the size was extremely poor. Lots and lots of sub 9" crappie and good ones were 11 inches not the complete toads coming from Truman. Said they fished the Buffalo's one day last week, which are huge creeks and were the only boat in either creek. He said Truman has a dozen boats in every cove and from what we saw that's about right. Be safe out there
  8. It has without a doubt made a difference in the finding and by watching videos it has also assisted in the catching, but there are and always have been a percentage of the fish that just will not bite and who knows how many lures or baits they have seen and what accounts for this. I think timing is a key factor. On another note however as the gentleman told me you might catch one on your first drop into a school but then the others will not touch the bait, either a minnow or a jig. i don't have any idea how to explain this. I will tell you this has been going on since I started fishing and that's been a while. We have spoken about this for years here on Table Rock where the K's will charge a bait either live or artificial and then get there and run from it. Or, at times you can see them on 2D sonar and as soon as the bait drops they scatter and are gone. Other times they come at it like they are starved and they might already have 3 shad in their mouth and a crayfish hanging out of their throat. I guess what I'm saying is we don't know what triggers them to strike. What i do know is if they are already feeding it is much easier to get their attention rather than being in a suspended state weather this be on cover ie like a tree or just suspended using depth for cover. What Panoptix is, is a time saver. It allows you to fish where the fish are. Not going to promise you will get a bite but you know they are there and can see how they react to the bait Watch Mike Bakers current Truman Lake vid on Spider Rigging Crappie, He made it just last Sunday and to your point he would not have caught some of them without Panoptix as he enticed a lot of strikes by working the bait as the fish watched it or pulled away from it. Also some would just plain run from it. I think as much as the tech has progressed, just the shear number of fisherman that are extremely learned is at an all time high. With all the knowledge that is available not with standing the electronics it has somewhat changed the game. The peach cobbler is the same size but instead of you and the wife eating it she invited the church ladies group home for a slice. Your's just became much smaller unless you beat the gals to the table.
  9. Feel a little funny about making a Truman Lake report, but we went so here it is and maybe a little bit of very uneducated information. This is kind of a story in the works and I blame it all on the interweb as it got me going this Winter with nothing to do but sit here and spend money I don't have. Started watching Spider rigging videos and I got HOOKED. Was kind of hooked from last year seeing them work on Lake O. during turkey season, but the videos were the last straw. I got with Ed. of Southern Crappie Rods and fanangled a guide price deal and he set me up with 8, 14' Southern Crappie Rods. I also bought a dual front chair system and a Drift Master trolling set up and mounted it all on my 23' Alweld. Of course then I had to try it out. Side note, we only used 2 rods each so 4 was the max we used around the trees. Been reading all the Truman reports on the web and most have been crazy good so a few phone calls and some great folks on here got me and my buddy Mark on our way. Quick note there were no minnows available in Warsaw yesterday, but we were smart and I brought 8 dozen from Lilleys, which reminds me, I need to have them put on my bill On with the report, we hit Bucksaw at 8:30 and were about number 15 in line to launch. No problem as these people actually know how to launch and pull boats out. 4 rigs can launch at once and it is like a well oiled machine. When we pulled out a 3:30 Mark said there were over 100 rigs in the parking lot. We saw boats of every age and price you can imagine. One current theme was it didn't mater your boat cost or how old it is. 99% of the boats had PanOptics. We saw rigs including the pickup that cost less than their electronics These crappie fishermen are CRAZY about Livescope. and a 126 SV After the tips I received we went up and started at Pretty Bob Creek. I will tell you, the creeks from Jackson up to 13 hwy are totally full of fishermen. Seems like most of these folks are either Dipping trees or Spider rigging. We did not see a person make a cast all day and we at first were covered up with fishermen. One thing I was not familiar with was how close these folks will fish to you. We were even slightly bumped once as a guy went by us with his trolling motor in a narrow channel between trees. Huge lake but everyone concentration on the major creeks.and there were lots of folks. At one point there were over 20 boats in Bob and the next big branch up on the right. We caught a total of 37 crappie 5 whites and 1 channel cat fish. We caught everything rigging using either a Capps and Coleman or a Kentucky rig. Never lost a hook in all those trees, unbelievable. We had decided to keep only crappie between 12" and 16" so that's what we did, could have had two limits, but there is not enough meat on a 9" crappie for me to mess with. We kept 14 crappie and had just a scouche over 6 lbs. of fillets which we thought was super for a couple of dummies. We had 5 females and 9 male keepers. Big Caveat and no" PanOptics." The Lowrance HDS7 told me they were hanging in the 10' to 15' depth range over 18' to 20' so we used that old worn out machine to find our crappie, and did OK. Didn't see them snap at it but saw the rod tip dip or quiver and that was fine. We could not catch a fish on a soft plastic. Caught them all on double minnow rigs. Caught 2 of the white bass on soft plastic The Dippers/Dabber fishermen were interesting, they would scan the millions of trees and pull up and dab a jig or minnow on a rod that was 11' to 14' and watch the scope. Talked to one of these guys at long range. His mount put the 126 SV screen just below his chin. I'm guessing the mount was at least 5'. He said every tree in Truman in the last 10 weeks had been dipped. Said he could catch one here and one there but the majority ran from the bait like a chicken with its tail feathers on fire. He said in January at times you could catch a limit out of one tree. Now it was one or two no matter how many were down there. They were totally gun shy. We noticed that the smaller pockets, like maybe only 100 yrds. long were not being hit so we gave them a try and right off we started catching. We caught the majority of our fish out of 3 of these small pockets . If I were to go back I would concentrate on these small pockets only. They need to have at least 20/25 ft. of water however to make them work. Fish are pretty much suspended over the deepest part either on a tree or just suspended in the channel. The Lake reminds be of Bull Shoals only its very muddy. Still fantastic vistas and no houses to be seen . Surface temp was 56 in the small cuts. Creeks and big lake 51 degree. Just about zero visibility, looked like you were lowering your bait into plowed ground. I heard a guide say the crappie like it muddier the better and he was right. Good Luck
  10. Bobby, it does not as it is a private ramp. We first stopped at Cow Creek and its fine but the dock has not been pulled in. Parking lot only had two slots available. Next we went to Yokum/ Long Creek and the ramp was also open but no parking as it was totally full. Stop 3 H hwy. Open with the dock in place 28 truck trailer combo's and a few open spots as they were not parking up the road entrance. Stop 4 Shell Knob Bridge. Totally open and dock in place but full and I don't believe that there was a single parking spot open. Talked to people at all 4 stops and not a single person had caught a fish. All said total waste of time but beautiful weather. Sounds like the fish were social distancing as well. Good Luck
  11. Rumor had it the Cow Creek was gong to get its dock pulled in today. They waited to see how much more it would come up after yesterday, but I'm not for certain on it. Day before yesterday the parking slots were almost full when i put in and took out Never seen that on week days unless there was a derby, and there was not yesterday. I'm fixin to go look at it and also H hwy. out of the K-nob. I'm betting H is open as they are building docks over there and I'm sure they are working. State Park and Moonshine should also be open as they are both steep as heck, unless the Corp has shut them down. Another would be What's up Dock as that ramp is steep. There is a yearly charge or you can buy a day pass for 5 bucks. Boats are running by the bunches this morning, so someone is launching somewhere. Good Luck
  12. Exactly 2 inches here at the Lodge this morning it has stopped and boats are running. Must be launching at State park as the ramps on this end are closed. Still shaking my head about the guy running this morning in lightning rain and hail.
  13. Ramp at old 86 and the parking are extremely close at all times. Unusable right now. Almost everyone will launch and then pull their truck/trailer to the side so you can back straight in, leaving the two slots directly above the ramp open, for launching and backing the boat down the ramp. Absolutely love all my friends from the Natural State, but if the two slots or even one of them is taken it is away's a Arkansas plate, without fail, or some out of state fool with a Ford 350 pulling a pontoon trailer. Mentioned this to McClelland and he said Missouri people were the dumb ones for leaving the easiest parking spot open. Guess he has a point. I'm gong to blame this on the Corp as you at one time could launch 2 at a time there. They enhanced the shoreline with rocks to prevent erosion frankly where there was none or would never be any and caused this type of a jam. Should have left the ramp open to its full capacity. On another note, at 7:30 this morning in a down pour with lighting and hail coming down a bass boat zoomed from the North and went up Long Creek. Simply unbelievable. Carry on.
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