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The bigger the boulder the bigger the hole below it is going to be.

I don't think the smaller rocks would stay on the south side or the rebar hole unless they were really locked in good with no gravel beneath them.

I think some BIG( about the size of a Volkswagon ) rocks in the channel would be good above the Rebar,you guide's will get use to em,after a while. ;)

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The bigger the boulder the bigger the hole below it is going to be.

I don't think the smaller rocks would stay on the south side or the rebar hole unless they were really locked in good with no gravel beneath them.

I think some BIG( about the size of a Volkswagon ) rocks in the channel would be good above the Rebar,you guide's will get use to em,after a while. ;)

What would happen to large boulders if placed on the south side of the lake - across from outlet #2 - on gravel. That gravel is probably fairly deep (don't know). Would it move downstream or settle down in the gravel, sink?

Why the huge boulder above rebar? Or is that a joke :)

Brett did have some good ideas last night... I know some don't like him on the forum but like it or not, he's a player in this project and I welcome his ideas. But this thread isn't about ethics or about guiding so let's keep on track... please.

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Here's my idea - off the top of my head. Now this is without walking thru and really looking at the deal so don't hold me to this being final or correct.

Red - attempt to deepen the flat area towards the middle or south side of the lake with placed boulders or piles of boulders. IF we can secure logs or cedar binds, then use wood in addition to rocks.

Blue - attempt to deepen at least a side half thru rebar on into the bend. Try to deepen the hole at the end of rebar so that big fish will hold there again.

Green - Try to establish a hole at Big Hole again. Create pockets in the flat area.

Yellow - shore up this bank.

Not marked - shoudl shore up the bank just below outlet #1 also but would have to make sure any riprap placed would not create another problem above or below the improvement. Also would have to consider access to the water.

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Phil is on the right track. The key word here is "deepen". Try to make some areas that cannot be tromped and walked through. Too deep to wade. These fish need some sanctuary and holding areas when the water is off. Right now the fish could tell you every brand of wading shoe made

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I figured Babler would have something to say about the huge rocks in the channel,you know if he don't like getting trout blood in his boat he's really not gonna like hitting a big rock,just a joke :lol:

Your map Phil is pretty good,except I wouldn't place the rocks too close to the south bank across from 2 and make them clusters of bigger rock.

They'll shift, sink and move some but shouldn't wash away.

Just an opinion.

The Hydrologist should be able to figure out the best way.

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What would be the method for placing large boulders ? Amphibious dozer, Trac-hoe, or load them on a Barge and push them off ?

How do you tackle a project like that ?

They already have a contractor in mind but I'd think they'd have to bid it out (?). But it would be by trac I'd think. There was some question as to how they would get their equipment to the water. The only way was thru the opening just below outlet #1 and really still is. They might have to tear that area up and repair it.

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How about some Misc. rock scattered all the way down to KOA? The wading water doesn't stop a big hole...

I'm sure they will look at this area too. I don't know this area as well so I can't speak to it. The bottom from rocking chair down to the ramp, from the north side to the middle, the bottom is either bedrock or large rocks, not much gravel. But I think on the south side there is gravel so may be there's an opportunity there. But from the ramp down there is deep water so no need for rocks/structure there.

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Back about 1975, I fished here in the fall. This what I remember.

Blue was the channel and it was deep. I remember I found a place to wade across and it was where the arrow is but I barely could get thru without water coming over my chest waders. Tippy-toe.

The Green spots were guys stood shoulder-to-shoulder fishing trout roe. They'd hook a big fish, yell and start heading downstream to rebar where 80% of the time they'd get broke off. They'd come back to their place in line with no fish.

So the gravel in this area is deep. The channel has the potential to be deep again, just have to figure how.

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