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Does anyone else find this unnerving? I do.

No money for a fish cleaning station but this?!?!?!

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Yeah, that is a frustrating decision. You would think that the department would be more concerned about making sure that the stream doesn't have the "trout gut hatch" rather than having a live web cam. I think that people already know about Bennett, one needs to look no further than weekends at Bennett for proof of that. I just don't see the reasoning for spending money on a live web cam instead of investing that money into a cleaning station. Wish someone would be held liable for that call.

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I guess to me it's a non-issue, it probably costs a whole lot less to put up and maintain a webcam than it does to put up and maintain a fish cleaning station.

I wonder if Trout Unlimited, Federation of Fly Fishers, or just a group of interested anglers could take up a collection to get a cleaning station built. Donate the funds to DNR with the stipulation they're used to construct the station. Perhaps even do an auction or some other fundraiser.

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Since I catch and release, the gut station is wasted on me. But being able to see the condition of a stream before I leave on a 4 hour journey, handy. The live web cam costs a few hundred bucks, the gut station, several 100 thousands. $165,857.04 to be exact at the Montauk location, if it came in as bid without any change orders.

MDC Constrution Contracts

Scroll down to 3-18-2009 to see bid.

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My point is not really the lack of a cleaning station, more of a "how many places can I go and NOT be filmed, especially without my knowledge".

Why spend money on webcams when you can maybe give someone even a part time job?

JD, there's not enough info already on line for you to determine if or if not BSSP is fishable? Really?

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I overheard the old boys at the coffeeshop sayin' they had a few of em out there..

You reckon their plannin on sellin' videos of me takin a spill of that there dam?

I'll agree that it's nice to get a visual of the river before I head down...

I'll also agree that I don't enjoy the idea of being surveiled without my knowledge.. Does anyone know if they have any signs stating that you are being recorded?

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Eh, I don't see anything too sinister about it. If someone gets their rocks off watching me fish over the internets, so be it- it's not as though I'm smoking dope or burying bodies. Sometimes other anglers wind up in the pictures I take of the stream or of a fishing partner's catch- does that constitute "surveilance?" Honestly, if I'm out fishing, I'm usually not thinking about much of anything else, much less where the cameras are.

And Bennett is a pretty popular, very public spot. And look at the bright side- it may even make people think twice about playing hookie from work, thereby lessening weekday crowds. ;)

If they needed the additional labor then sure, I wouldn't mind seeing more folks employed there as opposed to them investing in a webcam. But if it came down to it, I guess I'd rather have a live stream feed more than a guy being paid by DNR to sit in a shop and drink coffee half the day. Just my opinion though.

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I overheard the old boys at the coffeeshop sayin' they had a few of em out there..

You reckon their plannin on sellin' videos of me takin a spill of that there dam?

I'll agree that it's nice to get a visual of the river before I head down...

I'll also agree that I don't enjoy the idea of being surveiled without my knowledge.. Does anyone know if they have any signs stating that you are being recorded?

Hey, if you're not doing anything wrong then there's nothing to worry about. (there, got that out of the way) :rolleyes:

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Hold the phone !

$165,857.04 for a fish cleaning station ? Dude, I built a 1800sq.ft. two-story house with surrounding CCA deck and a seperate 30x30' garage for 98,675.00 just a couple years ago (less the concrete work). Who bid that project out ?

Or is this one of those things like the 400.00 toilet seats and 14.00 pencils at the county courthouse's ?

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Truth be known, it may save a few jobs and catch a few poachers. One person watching several cams for violations. Of course, nobody has elaborated as to the location and number of the cams. It may be a way to monitor the hatchery. Lack of info leads to speculation.

Is this a live web cam so we can all watch?

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JD: "Proud American clinging to my guns, religion, values, and flyrods!!"

Try clinging to the right to do whatever the hell you want without being filmed.

If you drive 4+ hours to C&R in a trout park.... you're just an old fool.

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Well I know that next time I call in "sick" to work to not fisher under the bridge. Then again I could call one of my buddies at work and tell him to tune in to the web cam, give him a wave, and ask him how his day is going. :hi:

In all seriousness it doesn't bother me and probably cost very little to set up. In saying that, I am in favor of fish cleaning station as well. While I don't keep many fish the "gut" hatch needs to be addressed. I do like that I can see the water before I would choose to head down...that is 3 hours drive for me and opinions on fishable water aren't always the most accurate.

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JD: "Proud American clinging to my guns, religion, values, and flyrods!!"

Try clinging to the right to do whatever the hell you want without being filmed.

If you drive 4+ hours to C&R in a trout park.... you're just an old fool.

Pull your panties out of a wad there guy, Trout taste like Asian Carp and are as boney as a gigged sucker. Catch and release is fun though, don't have to drag them around on a stringer and trash the stream with guts.

Where can you go today that you are not being filmed? Game cameras in the woods, cameras in MDC parking lots to deter vandals, etc. It is just a part of modern life, technology has gotten cheap and people are amused by it.

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Hold the phone !

$165,857.04 for a fish cleaning station ? Dude, I built a 1800sq.ft. two-story house with surrounding CCA deck and a seperate 30x30' garage for 98,675.00 just a couple years ago (less the concrete work). Who bid that project out ?

Or is this one of those things like the 400.00 toilet seats and 14.00 pencils at the county courthouse's ?

Follow the link, it shows plans and specs, bidders list, and winning bids for all MDC projects last year. I thought it was a little pricey myself, of course it was a prevailing wage state job.

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Another great use of tax dollars spent so that our illustrious leaders can watch me pea in the woods. Good job!

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Another great use of tax dollars spent so that our illustrious leaders can watch me pea in the woods. Good job!

pea?

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pea?

Of course, ya don't think I would urinate in the woods do ya?

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Don't criticize "pea." You'll cause a rhubarb.

It's 4:30 in the afternoon on March 3, and the bridge pool looks deserted. I'd rather be there than behind this desk.

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Don't criticize "pea." You'll cause a rhubarb.

rhubarb?

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I am all for the cams at the park, maybe it will make everyone think twice I wonder if they have put these in at any other park without speaking of it. Ok I have to go I have to pee

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rhubarb?

Just a bad vegetable joke. A fight.

This morning, the camera has turned to cover the dam. Not many people fishing off of it. Saw some fish caught, early.

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I am all for the cams at the park, maybe it will make everyone think twice I wonder if they have put these in at any other park without speaking of it. Ok I have to go I have to pee

It has definately made Me "think twice" (about going somewhere else besides Bennett from now on).

I bet they really have a ball surveilling the campgrounds. Personally I like to have a say in who tags along with us on fishing or camping trips.

Recently I used my bank debit card to purchase some stuff that is "out of the ordinary" for me (scrapbooking supplies for my daughter) and the purchaes were not made ONLINE, they were made at stores in Osage Beach and Jeff city. Now suddenly I am getting spam ads through my business email for this type of product, which is a first. This new age data-mining crap might not bother the new generation....but it bugs the crap out of ME

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My trips to Bennett Springs will be fewer in the future because of this surveillance. I have no desire to be a movie star. Just seems like we are going in the wrong direction in my opinion.

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My trips to Bennett Springs will be fewer in the future because of this surveillance. I have no desire to be a movie star. Just seems like we are going in the wrong direction in my opinion.

More room for me :)

Maybe THAT was the reason behind it- crowd control.

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My trips to Bennett Springs will be fewer in the future because of this surveillance. I have no desire to be a movie star. Just seems like we are going in the wrong direction in my opinion.

Right on .... I totally agree. I've had enough of big brother watching me in my everyday life. When I want to get away and fish I don't need big bro. surveiling me. What are the purpose of the cameras? Maybe if they see a violator they dispatch an agent? I don't get it. Maybe they're looking for giggers, shufflers, snaggers, cheese ball fisherman in Zones 1 and 2, and cullers. PC

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Nope PC, their trying to catch you using your secret weapon!!

Personally I couldn't give a rats ^**. I like to pull it up on one of my monitors at work and let it run. It brings peace and tranquility to my day. Plus it makes me very jealous!!

Come on 3 weeks and you guys can watch me stripping above the dam!!

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I kind of like having it. I was just going to post a question about what the crowds may be like there during the middle of next week. Now I can just check out the cam a couple of times and get a decent gauge.

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For those don't like it

Can you really make out who the person is from the camera? I can't even tell if it is a man or woman. I don't really think it is about surveillance at all. I guess maybe you could have a creepy employee doing something he/she shouldn't, but that seems as likely as some weirdo camping out in a tree along zone two. I mean they have agents watching and other fisherman watching you that can actually see who you are so what is the difference?

Now if they are using it for other purposes or scanning the campground and spying on things they shouldn't see then that is a completely different story, but I don't see anything sinister behind it at all. Solitude and privacy aren't really going to be possible at a trout park anway.

Personally, I think it is a way for people to stay in touch when they are stuck at work all day and dreaming of fishing. I like the concept and in fact I would like them to add an underwater camera too.

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I think they should put up some advertisements on that bridge. Be a nice place for a viagra or godaddy.com sign.

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ha!

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Hey you guys know that enforcement officers watch fisherpersons all the time with spotting scopes. Have for years.

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I think you guys may be making a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe a few of you should cut back on the CSI :D

I've glanced at it a couple times today, pretty underwhelming. Grainy video of the dam with a few folks fishing off it. Couldn't tell who they were or what vehicles were in the parking lot, even in full screen mode. I'd challenge anyone to discern the difference between Powerbait and a glo-ball at that resolution.

What surprises me most is that a lot of you guys so concerned with privacy/surveillance have no problems posting reports and stories here, broadcasting to the world where you fished, when you fished, who you fished with, what you fished with, how deep you fished it, how successful you were, and even providing photos of yourself, your catch, and your location. Far more information than can be provided by watching that video stream. DNR doesn't need to put up a camera to spy on you guys, you provide all the information they'd need voluntarily on here.

It just doesn't seem like a big thing- an ad, comparable to the photos of trout anglers you see slapped on the cover of Conservationist or in your local newspaper. Do I think it's necessary? No. But I don't think it's so sinister as to make me question whether I should fish Bennett in the future.

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I think they should put up some advertisements on that bridge. Be a nice place for a viagra or godaddy.com sign.

The most important thing about advertising is to know your audience. I think the following would be more successful:

Powerbait

Reynold's Wrap

Budweiser/Miller

Durkee's

:goodjob:

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The only thing that's worse than having a sudden case of diarrhea in the woods is getting drug out of the woods in handcuffs with crappy pants around your ankles..

And I don't put EVERYTHING in my fishing reports, otherwise I would have had to add "Fishing below the island was great but don't go on the island.. I had an accident there and youmay wanna steer clear until after a decent flood.."

I know, I know.. MDC isn't going to rethink their "watch em from afar with camera/binoculars/etc" policies just because ihave bowel problems when I Wade the river..

But for those of you who aren't getting our point, consider this:

Would you be offended if you found out your parents have been keeping you under surveilance since you left home? (and used your money to buy the equipment)

Wouldn't that bug you? Even if you were sure you had been "good".. Heck most especially if you had been good, right?

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Sure is fun to check in once in awhile from work to see the fishing... makes me want to head down

Cricket, You're a hoot dude! I've not been around for awhile but I'm gonna head down to Bennett some day

soon.

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But for those of you who aren't getting our point, consider this:

cricket I don't think anyone gets your point after that.

I ask again, what is wrong with you??? :lol::lol:

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Pull your panties out of a wad there guy

I'm not your guy, buddy!

<very few will get the above arcane reference>

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Cricket thank for the laugh:)

If I was tuning in and saw someone being dragged out of the woods in handcuffs with crappy pants around their ankles I would laugh my @ss off. I would feel bad about it later, but I would laugh.

I guess I can see others viewpoint about about survelliance, but it is a live web cam, not really a surveillance camera. A surveillance camera you would be able to actually make out who the people are and record hours of tape. A web cam would actually have to be set up to record the information. I am sure that can be done very easily, but we don't even now if they are doing that. It isn't like they have a vault under the dam so "CSI game and fish agents" can poor through hours of tape. It is not like this is a big secret operation...I mean it was advertised on the MO State Park's page.

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The only thing that's worse than having a sudden case of diarrhea in the woods is getting drug out of the woods in handcuffs with crappy pants around your ankles..

You're right, and that'd be an issue if the cameras were pointed into the woods. Call me modest, even a prude...but if someone is dropping trow and dumping brown trout in the parking lot at Bennett Spring State Park, I'd sort of expect them to be hauled out of there in handcuffs and crappy pants.

And the parent analogy only works if you're spending your life camped out in front of the Bennett camera. DNR isn't filming what you did at the bar last night or who you went home with, it's filming people (who I'm not sure could be identified due to the picture quality), fishing, walking around, etc in order to potentially draw people to the state park. I guess I don't see it as surveillance as much as a video postcard.

No I wouldn't like my parents watching me and every aspect of my daily existence. But if they want to film me fishing for a couple hours with a camera I got them for Christmas, I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it.

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The only thing that's worse than having a sudden case of diarrhea in the woods is getting drug out of the woods in handcuffs with crappy pants around your ankles..

Why do I have the feeling that's actually happened to you? =D.gif

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