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I guess it depends on what your definition of a great river means. The Meramec is a great river for big fish.

Mitch, I think it's easy for some to diss the Meramec due to ignorance or the fact they never catch anything out of it. If people like OTF think it sucks and want to stay away well I say..... sweet!!!!

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Mitch, I think it's easy for some to diss the Meramec due to ignorance or the fact they never catch anything out of it. If people like OTF think it sucks and want to stay away well I say..... sweet!!!!

I didn't say it sucks. I have caught good fish out of it...As a matter of fact, as far as numbers and size of smallmouth, it's as good as most of the Ozark streams I know. It's just the horrible crowds in the summer, and also the fact that it is not nearly as remote as most of the Ozark streams I like to fish. I didn't say it wasn't a good river. I just said, that in my opinion, it doesn't really measure up to streams like the Eleven Point, Current, or Jacks Fork in terms of the total experience, and that's a statement I'll stand by. If your opinion is different, more power to you!

I mean Smallie, your post isn't even remotely honest. I sure didn't say it sucked, (I believe I said "it's a good river in its own way") and I actually like the Meramec, especially in the area around Vilander Bluff and way upstream above the spring.

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Mitch, we gotta talk (and fish). I need a trip to the Menominee!

The most beautiful stretch of the Meramec, and unfortunately the most popular, is from Onondaga to Meramec State Park. The scenery rivals most of the Ozark streams, and it's pretty water. Do it on an off-season weekday and you'll be impressed whether you catch fish or not.

Most unique stream in the MO Ozarks is the St. Francis. You have to do it if you want a different kind of scenery and interesting fishing. If you're a multi-species angler, you can catch just about anything that swims and hits a lure on the St. Francis.

If we're talking Ozark bucket lists, mine would be:

Illinois River, OK, just to say I did a stream in OK. And Mountain Fork and/or Glover in the OK Ouachitas.

Upper Kings River

Big Piney Creek, AR

Mulberry, AR

South Fork Spring River, AR

Strawberry, AR

Elk, Big Sugar, Indian, MO

Flat Creek, MO

Upper Pomme de Terre, MO

Still gotta do the Niangua from Blue Spring to Tunnel Dam, MO

There are a few miles of the Gasconade I haven't yet done.

There are even a few miles of the upper Bourbeuse I haven't done.

And some of upper Bryant Creek.

Oh, yeah, and Bull Creek and Swan Creek.

So many rivers, so little time.

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Mitch, we gotta talk (and fish). I need a trip to the Menominee!

The most beautiful stretch of the Meramec, and unfortunately the most popular, is from Onondaga to Meramec State Park. The scenery rivals most of the Ozark streams, and it's pretty water. Do it on an off-season weekday and you'll be impressed whether you catch fish or not.

Most unique stream in the MO Ozarks is the St. Francis. You have to do it if you want a different kind of scenery and interesting fishing. If you're a multi-species angler, you can catch just about anything that swims and hits a lure on the St. Francis.

If we're talking Ozark bucket lists, mine would be:

Illinois River, OK, just to say I did a stream in OK. And Mountain Fork and/or Glover in the OK Ouachitas.

Upper Kings River

Big Piney Creek, AR

Mulberry, AR

South Fork Spring River, AR

Strawberry, AR

Elk, Big Sugar, Indian, MO

Flat Creek, MO

Upper Pomme de Terre, MO

Still gotta do the Niangua from Blue Spring to Tunnel Dam, MO

There are a few miles of the Gasconade I haven't yet done.

There are even a few miles of the upper Bourbeuse I haven't done.

And some of upper Bryant Creek.

Oh, yeah, and Bull Creek and Swan Creek.

So many rivers, so little time.

No Bull? Creek I mean. While it's probably more of a wade opportunity, I suspect Swan and probably the upper reaches of the King might also be more friendly to waders.

You didn't mention the White, or War Eagle, already done?

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Catch and release an alligator gar

Catch a shark from the beach

Catch as many different species as possible.

I have caught a shark from the beach. Was actually fishing for Redfish but a 45# Black Tip shark took the bait. My buddy I was with went out to "retrieve" the Redfish and when he got close enough to see what it actually was he did his partial impersonation of Jesus by RUNNING ON TOP OF THE WATER. It was hilarious. I ended dragging the shark to shore. BTW, that was some of the finest tasting fish I have ever had. Firm and sweet.

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No Bull? Creek I mean. While it's probably more of a wade opportunity, I suspect Swan and probably the upper reaches of the King might also be more friendly to waders.

You didn't mention the White, or War Eagle, already done?

I've waded a short piece of Bull Creek, but never floated it...and I love to float the ones that are closer to wading creeks than floating streams. Which is why I want to do the upper Kings. And you're right, I forgot to add War Eagle and the upper White to the list. But the one I want to do the most that I forgot is the Middle Fork of the Little Red. I've salivated over topo maps of that stream for years. Rugged, remote country and a stream with class three rapids when it's high, so it's probably a tough float when low enough for good fishing...just the kind I like!

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As I read through the various rivers on everyone list I said to myself yea that one and yea that one too, I pretty much want to see them all. I’ve been fortunate to have crossed quite a few of my list already. As far as the bucket is concerned I have no plans on kicking it for a good long while, I’m just going to keep chipping away at the list and enjoy the hell out of myself doing it.

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As far as the bucket is concerned I have no plans on kicking it for a good long while, I’m just going to keep chipping away at the list and enjoy the hell out of myself doing it.

After this weekend's failure for the end of the world as we know it, the forecast has been revised to October I believe. Better get while the gettin's good, you never know when you bucket takes a dump. :D

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