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1 hour ago, Seth said:

We can go out gigging for 30 minutes, get 10-20, 

exactly my point

1 hour ago, Seth said:

Good luck with that. Unless you just flat out make it illegal to harvest nice fish, your average Joe weekend angler drowning night crawlers or minnows that lucks in to those nice bass is most likely taking them home. There are far more of those types than those with our mindset when it comes to managing quality fisheries. Just like when it comes to managing deer for mature bucks. If you do your part to allow the little bucks to grow in age and everybody else around you shoots them on sight, you're just peeing in the wind.

a deer can be grown to trophy size in 3 years a big smally 2x that at least......cool thing about fishing is you can have your fun and not take it from the next guy C&R works...so until tazing deer becomes a fad....

 

1 hour ago, Mitch f said:

A matter of opinion...IMHO I think not, unless mediocre is the new high. If you’ve been anywhere North, South, East or West it doesn’t even come close.

our small fishing has backslid considerably...not just streams...Stockton used to have outstanding Bronzeback fishing that changed....why? who knows  but it did

29 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

 

You are right it is a matter of opinion. But you could also say the same thing about largemouth bass fishing, catfishing, crappie fishing, walleye fishing, trout fishing. ALL of those could be considered better someplace else, depending on your opinion of what makes it better. But have you noticed that when you go to these other locations that the locals aren't as impressed as you are? You can go to Texas and catch a 10 pound largemouth and they are like, ehhh, it's pretty good. The same way we would look at a 6 or 7 pound bass around here. So while you may be catching better fish than you would here you really aren't doing anything special. In my opinion it just cheapens the whole deal. 

I have been fortunate enough to fish in a lot of different locations, and have caught some nice fish doing it. But in my opinion it doesn't get any better than fishing in the Ozarks. It all depends on your goals. While catching a nice, big fish is on everyone's list of goals some of us have it pretty far down the list. Not saying that's better or worse, just saying it's different. 

harvest kills great fishing....if trout in Taney stayed in you would have a day where fish were measured in pounds not inches.....been a while but used to catch 4 or 5 smallies over 3# on stockton every time out...why is that?..in a nutshell "harvest"

22 minutes ago, ness said:

Seems the winter pissies have arrived early this year. Might make for a long winter. 

:lol:

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harvest kills great fishing....if trout in Taney stayed in you would have a day where fish were measured in pounds not inches.

@MoCarp since you brought it up about Taneycomo, can you tell me the name of any stream in the US where trout are measured in pounds instead of inches? I've seen some pretty hefty trout caught out of Taney that were still measured in inches versus pounds. These were easily 8# + fish.

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9 minutes ago, Seth said:

@MoCarp since you brought it up about Taneycomo, can you tell me the name of any stream in the US where trout are measured in pounds instead of inches? I've seen some pretty hefty trout caught out of Taney that were still measured in inches versus pounds. These were easily 8# + fish.

 I remember this very subject just about a year ago. 

 Some cat up north got a new state record smallmouth from some northern state and those in our area threw a big hissy fit because it isn't measure out long enough. 

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35 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

Stockton used to have outstanding Bronzeback fishing that changed....why?

 

It still does, unless they all died in the last few years. Three years ago I was still catching the same quality smallmouth on the same banks using the same techniques I used in the late 80's. And it hasn't been that long ago that I saw two smallmouth that would have easily surpassed the current state record. 

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On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 7:04 PM, Chief Grey Bear said:

Fascinating post. 

We've read countless posts over the years from STL7 about gigging and that there's no way possible to misidentify a Smallmouth while gigging. 

Until one of their own does it. Then it's no big deal. Just a part of the game. 

They want all gigging banned. Yet, go gigging themselves. 

Simply fascinating. 

You channeling your inner Spock?

 

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1 hour ago, Flysmallie said:

 

You are right it is a matter of opinion. But you could also say the same thing about largemouth bass fishing, catfishing, crappie fishing, walleye fishing, trout fishing. 

Actually we have very good Largemouth bass fishing, LOZ proves that. Walleye fishing is very good, trout fishing is very good (maybe not Steelhead). Catfishing is excellent.  But river smallmouth fishing is on a different level, just not up to par. 

 

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1 hour ago, ness said:

Seems the winter pissies have arrived early this year. Might make for a long winter. 

Passion? Hate? It's hard to tell the difference in some people.   Either way when the nasty shows up to play, I'm gonna bow out every time.  Life is short.  All these 1st world problems aren't worth anyone getting sideways over.  

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1 hour ago, Seth said:

@MoCarp since you brought it up about Taneycomo, can you tell me the name of any stream in the US where trout are measured in pounds instead of inches? I've seen some pretty hefty trout caught out of Taney that were still measured in inches versus pounds. These were easily 8# + fish.

back in the day, an 18" was a toss back....but then again you could drive down the strip in late oct in 10 min because everything shut down...taney still is great but it would be cool to catch 5#ers all day

1 hour ago, Chief Grey Bear said:

 I remember this very subject just about a year ago. 

 Some cat up north got a new state record smallmouth from some northern state and those in our area threw a big hissy fit because it isn't measure out long enough. 

yeah it was like 19" around....

57 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

It still does, unless they all died in the last few years. Three years ago I was still catching the same quality smallmouth on the same banks using the same techniques I used in the late 80's. And it hasn't been that long ago that I saw two smallmouth that would have easily surpassed the current state record. 

ever catch 20 over 3 in a day or a 1/2 dozen over 5? thats what it should be....should be managed for monsters 

13 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Actually we have very good Largemouth bass fishing, LOZ proves that. Walleye fishing is very good, trout fishing is very good (maybe not Steelhead). Catfishing is excellent.  But river smallmouth fishing is on a different level, just not up to par. 

thats cause you will die fishing in that wake filled with drunks blasting around in 40' "ski" boats fun zone

10 minutes ago, Smalliebigs said:

perhaps a test stream with no gigging and compare fish sizes? 

 

this is exactly what I want MO Carp :).....but it won't ever happen

thats what i am saying

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