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17 hours ago, Jerry Rapp said:

Bo - what size line do you use to help feel the lure in 60 feet of water?  I assume you make about a 100 foot cast, peel off line to get it to the bottom?  160 feet of line out to begin with.  50+ yards of line.  And when you get snagged, do you get directly over the bait to retrieve it?  Just trying to visualize fishing that deep and maintaining contact and feel.  

forgot to answer about a snagged bait.  yes, you do have to get over the lure to get loose.  most of the time you can bounce a spoon loose, but sometimes you have to send the lure retriever down to knock it loose.  the GrasJig head seldom hangs.

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thanks Bo for the detailed explanation!  It makes it a lot easier to visualize your techniques.  There is more detailed information in your answers than in 99% of any fishing article I have ever read.

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Bo,

Do you use a leader or straight braid.?

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7 hours ago, fozzype said:

Bo,

Do you use a leader or straight braid.?

straight braid.  your fishing line being visible does not deter a bass from striking.  if they can reason that then why would they ever bite anything with a hook?????

 

bo

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Ive always wanted to figure out a way to test this theory.   I remember going in a Berkley trailer once at a show and it had a screen that showed what a bass's vision was like and it was pretty much non existant. Of course Berkley is trying to sell their scented bait.  But Hell if they will bite a zinc, lead, or this summer a 5 inch metal spoon, I just dont see how line would be much of a factor.   

We need to get two guys with ned rigs, one with straight braid and one with flouro and see what happens

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7 minutes ago, aarchdale@coresleep.com said:

Ive always wanted to figure out a way to test this theory.   I remember going in a Berkley trailer once at a show and it had a screen that showed what a bass's vision was like and it was pretty much non existant. Of course Berkley is trying to sell their scented bait.  But Hell if they will bite a zinc, lead, or this summer a 5 inch metal spoon, I just dont see how line would be much of a factor.   

We need to get two guys with ned rigs, one with straight braid and one with flouro and see what happens

I would really like to know this too.  To me it is probably in our heads.  I just can't stand to not put a leader on braid, but again no real data either way on if it makes a difference.

The biggest thing to me with braid, mono, and floro is find the right fall rate, stretch, and durability you need for the situation.  Sometimes this is personal preference.

For instance, I fish 1/8 oz shakey head a bunch.  I like 8lb floro for this when fishing 20 or deeper.  The reason for this is the bait gets to the bottom much quicker and maintains bottom contact better than braid.  However when skipping deep docks l, I love the fall rate of braid, the ability to come off the spool, and the toughness around metal on docks.  Another example, is I use mono when spoon fishing.  I like to use a mh or h rod to get a pop when jerking the spoon.  However, I want the stretch of mono when I set the hook.  Also, the mono comes off the spool good, resist abrasion around docks, and is cheap to replace when twisted. 

I have zero issues with braid leaders breaking so I always have one on.  Like to have the nerve to try it without it.

Bo has it figured out and the use of braid is spot on when fishing as deep as he  does.  I like the braids with gore fibers, such as suffix 832.  They fall much better and dont have any drag in the guides or water.  I generally use 30 or 40 lb braid in the 832 because of the smaller diameter of comparative braids. 

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I think the visibility of lines may be over rated but I think the ned works because of the action a light line allows. I'm sure 4-6# nanofil would work the same but not 15# Fireline. 

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1 hour ago, aarchdale@coresleep.com said:

Ive always wanted to figure out a way to test this theory.   I remember going in a Berkley trailer once at a show and it had a screen that showed what a bass's vision was like and it was pretty much non existant. Of course Berkley is trying to sell their scented bait.  But Hell if they will bite a zinc, lead, or this summer a 5 inch metal spoon, I just dont see how line would be much of a factor.   

We need to get two guys with ned rigs, one with straight braid and one with flouro and see what happens

i fish those on 10 lb. hi vis yellow braid.  no leader.

bo

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On 11/29/2018 at 5:54 PM, merc1997 said:

well, i don't have $2500 to spend on one.  poor folks have poor ways.

bo

Well, there's a difference between "having" it and "spending" it.

Personally, I'm a proud "spender" that's hoping my bank account hits zero at the exact same time (or a little before) my heart rate does!

Of course if my heart holds out much longer that whole plan's gonna be out the window......

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4 hours ago, vernon said:

Well, there's a difference between "having" it and "spending" it.

Personally, I'm a proud "spender" that's hoping my bank account hits zero at the exact same time (or a little before) my heart rate does!

Of course if my heart holds out much longer that whole plan's gonna be out the window......

i hear you, but if i had it, i would own one of those trollers and the other high dollar electronics to go along with it.   so, one just has to get along with what they got and be happy to have that.  and, you are so right, you can't take it with you.

bo

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