ColdWaterFshr Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gavin said: Trump will take MO in November, so you are all wasting your time arguing about it. You can vote for someone else, but it wont matter...Just my take, I can't stand Trump, or Biden, or Sanders, or Pelosi, or McConnell, gonna quit wasting my time now. Trump raised my taxes considerably. I respect your viewpoint Gavin. And agree much the same. We have bad choices. No argument there. Setting that aside, I believe there is a lot of misinformation. Can you elaborate on how this administration has been a benefit to the middle class in any meaningful way, from a tax standpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckycraft Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ColdWaterFshr said: I respect your viewpoint Gavin. And agree much the same. We have bad choices. No argument there. Setting that aside, I believe there is a lot of misinformation. Can you elaborate on how this administration has been a benefit to the middle class in any meaningful way, from a tax standpoint? I can! Without giving you my bank statements, like I said I’ve brought more money home on a monthly basis under Donald than I did paying for Obama programs! snagged in outlet 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonDog Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, fishinwrench said: The girls all want to work there because they get to show off their T&A to rich dudes. yeesh. No. All the girls want to work there because they can't make $75/hr under the table working at Sonic. Or Wal-Mart. Or as a math teacher, a a nurse, a bank teller, an insurance agent, a social worker, a physicist, a park ranger, a bus driver, a trash hauler, a long-haul trucker, a radio personality, a journalist, a farmer, an engineer, a lineman, a short-order cook. No one's paying them $75/hr under the table to take a risk and open their own business. Most people are going to go for the most lucrative job. If the most lucrative job is showing T&A, so be it. I don't know the statistic, but there's a lot of women who fly from LA to Las Vegas for the weekend...to work. If the folks who have money have decided T&A is the only thing they're going to spend on...can't really blame everyone else for following suit. top_dollar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonDog Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mitch f said: Well I just read that 44% of youth prefer socialism over capitalism. But what does that mean, Mitch? Is "youth" under 30? 20? 15? Does sending everyone a $1200 check count as socialism? Giving everyone out of work $600/month? It's a very simple answer to a very complicated question, which should tell you it's almost certainly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonDog Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, luckycraft said: I can! Without giving you my bank statements, like I said I’ve brought more money home on a monthly basis under Donald than I did paying for Obama programs! Did the money going out change, though? I know folks who've had to pay through the nose for health insurance because of instability in Obamacare, and farmers who have struggled finding a market for their products as a result of the trade wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckycraft Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, SpoonDog said: Did the money going out change, though? I know folks who've had to pay through the nose for health insurance because of instability in Obamacare, and farmers who have struggled finding a market for their products as a result of the trade wars. Thank Obama. You are paying for all the uninsured! Trump tried to repeal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch f Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, SpoonDog said: But what does that mean, Mitch? Is "youth" under 30? 20? 15? Does sending everyone a $1200 check count as socialism? Giving everyone out of work $600/month? It's a very simple answer to a very complicated question, which should tell you it's almost certainly wrong. Sending everyone a $1200 check and a short period of unemployment benefits is a bailout and not socialism. Trying to compare the US to other European countries as an example of how great socialism can be is at best like comparing a shrew to an elephant. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 If you are referring to the TCJA....The legislation gave most people a few crumbs, soaked the upper middle class high wage earners, gave public companies a 15% tax cut, and a 20% tax cut for small business owners. My business clients were making out like bandits with the 20% QBID deduction until this virus stuff hit...And most made out like bandits with the PPP virus stimulus. I help them do it. Our stupid govt, makes stupid rules and I help my customers benefit from their stupid rules. I will always have secure employment thanks to the idiots in DC & States across the country. Mitch f and ollie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckycraft Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gavin said: If you are referring to the TCJA....The legislation gave most people a few crumbs, soaked the upper middle class high wage earners, gave public companies a 15% tax cut, and a 20% tax cut for small business owners. My business clients were making out like bandits with the 20% QBID deduction until this virus stuff hit...And most made out like bandits with the PPP virus stimulus. I help them do it. Our stupid govt, makes stupid rules and I help my customers benefit from their stupid rules. I will always have secure employment thanks to the idiots in DC & States across the country. Not to be the devils advocate, but throwing decoys in your personal pool do to being bored doesn’t make me feel sorry for ya. Gavin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinwrench Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, SpoonDog said: yeesh. No. All the girls want to work there because they can't make $75/hr under the table working at Sonic. Or Wal-Mart. Or as a math teacher, a a nurse, a bank teller, an insurance agent, a social worker, a physicist, a park ranger, a bus driver, a trash hauler, a long-haul trucker, a radio personality, a journalist, a farmer, an engineer, a lineman, a short-order cook. No one's paying them $75/hr under the table to take a risk and open their own business. You're mistaken. They all hang out here at my place quite a bit, and because I am the kinda guy that I am.....they speak freely and honestly. They work there for the reasons I said they did. A few actually ARE starting their own businesses.....and THAT is how they are getting it done. I don't think you realize how much some guys are willing to fork out just to have dancing bow ornaments on their Fountains and MTI's . Again.... undocumented (perfectly legal) cash. And thankfully our current President is the type of guy that is ok with that. 😊👍 snagged in outlet 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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