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Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.

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9 hours ago, Quillback said:

It reads as "soft plastic bait"  which in my interpretation would be something like a plastic grub or worm, not appendages on a fly.  But that's my opinion.  Certainly a rule that needs to be re-written or clarified.

That is what I thought as well but that isn't what the description said. Flies with rubber are considered soft plastic baits.

Bill

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This is taken from the MDC's "Trout Fishing Tips",  Pay attention to (D).

Allowed baits and lures vary by fishing area and season

(A) Natural and scented baits—A natural fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other food substances not containing any ingredient to stupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not include flies or artificial lures. Includes dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance designed to attract fish by taste or smell and any fly, lure or bait containing or used with such substances.

(B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures.

(C) Artificial Lure—A lure constructed of any material excluding soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait defined in (A) or (B) above.

(D) Fly—An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or (B) above, that is tied, glued or otherwise permanently attached.

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14 hours ago, bkbying89 said:

 taken from the MDC's "Trout Fishing Tips",  Pay attention to (D).

Reread your source. It says somewhere on that page that it is not the law. It should also have a link to the SOS site that I linked above, which is the law that will be referenced in court.  But, if you read what you quoted, it says " (B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures. "  What it does not say is "flies with synthetic parts are soft plastic lures".  walk into any fly shop and over half the flies will have some synthetic materials.

Unless a lure is sold as a synthetic worm ,grub or lure it does not meet the standards of (B).

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16 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

who cares

Whoever wrote the laws.  It is the agent's job to enforce the code, period. Agents have no other purpose.  The only more an agent can do is more enforcement of the Code as written with no interpretation.

If you can get the commission to reset the code so that the only law we have is "don't keep more than your limit" and do away with the stupid zones in the Parks, it won't affect me one way or another. But until they change the Code, I shan't encourage folks to break the game laws- by definition that is poaching whether the poacher keeps the game or not.

Oh, no the guy with the squirt bottle did not catch a fish that day,  his first cast after squirting was interrupted by a trip to the car in company with the agent. I've never used scents, so don't know if they work, but apparently some people think so, Berkley has sold a sack full of Powerbait. There might be a reason that scented plastic is regulated differently than unscented plastic? idk

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1 hour ago, tjm said:

which is the law that will be referenced in court.

I totally want to hear about one of these cases going to court.   Lawyer up and go flyfish Z3 at Bennett until you get busted!

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18 hours ago, bkbying89 said:

This is taken from the MDC's "Trout Fishing Tips",  Pay attention to (D).

Allowed baits and lures vary by fishing area and season

(A) Natural and scented baits—A natural fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other food substances not containing any ingredient to stupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not include flies or artificial lures. Includes dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance designed to attract fish by taste or smell and any fly, lure or bait containing or used with such substances.

(B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures.

(C) Artificial Lure—A lure constructed of any material excluding soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait defined in (A) or (B) above.

(D) Fly—An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or (B) above, that is tied, glued or otherwise permanently attached.

In D the thing to pay attention to is the part that says “as defined in (A) or (B) above”. No where in A or B does it says rubber bands or vinyl strips.  It only says you can’t use Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures.  In other words if you tie a Mr. Twister onto your “fly” it would no longer be considered a fly in restricted areas/zones.  

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I'm sorry that I deleted the reply's to my inquiry's to the MDC. I will send another to post here. While I agree with you, having a good number of rubber legged flies in my box, I also know what the department representative's reply was and that was that flies with any material that "snaps back" is not legal. I will still fish the ones I have as I don't think any MDC reps will be checking my flies. You all have been very helpful, thanks.

 

Bill

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3 hours ago, bkbying89 said:

I also know what the department representative's reply was and that was that flies with any material that "snaps back" is not legal.

Craziest thing I've heard in awhile.  A Dept. Representative ?

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1 hour ago, fishinwrench said:

Craziest thing I've heard in awhile.  A Dept. Representative ?

Think of her as a department employee.

Bill

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