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I would not get lost in all that stuff if i was you. Go out and fish and her very observant of your surroundings both where your fishing and and also the sky the water and anything else in the environment. I used to know a gouy kept all kinds of notes on every fishing trip he made he studied them religiously I have never done that but but it sire must help some proper since he won a national FLW tournament. I would never do that but when i fish alone like I do most of the time I tend to slip into a tunnel vision thing. My whole focus is on the anything from the end of my line all the way up my enciorment  

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39 minutes ago, Old plug said:

I used to know a gouy kept all kinds of notes on every fishing trip he made he studied them religiously I have never done that but but it sire must help some proper since he won a national FLW tournament.

That's a very "cup half full" mindset, because I know who you're talking about.... and he took plenty of asswhoopins as well.  😂

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53 minutes ago, Old plug said:

 very observant of your surroundings both where your fishing and and also the sky the water and anything else in the environment.

yeah that is what I was talking about, just taking it a stage farther by predicting  results - like looking at a hole and predicting a fish lives there rather than blind casting on barren water

53 minutes ago, Old plug said:

know a gouy kept all kinds of notes on every fishing trip he made he studied them religiously I have never done that

You just said that you study everything, isn't that doing exactly the same thing without  the pencil? surely you make mental notes and recall them on another outing?

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It's another reason, though far from the most important one, that I love fishing rivers.  You aren't at the mercy of the barometer and tidal phase and weather fronts and light conditions.  The fish bite when they want to bite, and they usually bite a good part of the day, if not the whole day.  They don't pay nearly as much attention to light conditions--in fact, I've caught a ton more fish in the middle of bright sunny days than I have on cloudy days.  Cold front?  They don't care most of the time.  And while they like shadows to hide in, they'll come out into bright sunlight to take a topwater lure at noon.  And forget about fishing deep water, that ain't where feeding fish are because there just ain't much food in deep water in a river.

 

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That is very true. I floated a lot between Birds nests and Onondaga when I was in my early 20s and had family in Leesburg. I was there for a funeral about 6-7 years ago and went down to the river and it broke my heart with what I seen

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13 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

That's a very "cup half full" mindset, because I know who you're talking about.... and he took plenty of asswhoopins as well.  😂

Yeah I thought you would see that. I agree I often wondered if following that regamin might not cause a lot of miscues in practice. You ever hear from him ?? He seems to have about dropped out of site. If you do hear from him tell him I said Hi. 

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4 hours ago, Old plug said:

You ever hear from him ?? He seems to have about dropped out of site. If you do hear from him tell him I said Hi. 

Nah, he has pretty much ghosted me.  Not in a bad way though, he's just a family man with his priorities where they should be.

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20 hours ago, tjm said:

Moon would have the same gravitational pull on loz as it does the Atlantic doesn't it? I know there used to a lot of deer hunters that used the solunar tables to predict deer movement/feeding times, if the tide tables affect deer wouldn't they also affect fish and frogs? New and full moons are when there are the highest and lowest tides, as the sun's gravity is added to that of the moon- are these better or worse fishing times? Roughly speaking the high tides would be when the moon is straight overhead  or straight under foot (on the exact opposite side of the earth)

I have a theory about low light and fish movement;  little fish that move around in bright light are visible and get eaten so that the survivors are hose that shunned light when small and having always shunned light they continue to as large fish, when they become the predators they still react as the prey that they were in early life . Deeper water on bright days would be where the light level is lowest. Likewise the shade of a bank, log or boulder- low light being relative.  All prey animals are prone to seek shadows or be crepuscular/nocturnal.

Daily atmospheric pressure has an effect  on fish and animal movement also, just as it affects how humans feel on a particular day. do you do better when the pressure is high or when it is low? Maybe on the rise or on the falling barometer?  Some scientist (I know that's like a four letter word) say that low pressure causes fish air bladders to expand and the fish to go deeper in the water try to feel better as the water pressure contracts the air bladders. According this fish would be more active in all parts of the water column when the barometer is a bit high, most active just before the fall in pressure (they feel the changes coming) and least active when the low pressure is settled over them.

It would be interesting to use moon phase, moon position, forecast barometer and forecast sun to calculate the best and worst fishing times/days and then to fish at those exact times to see if the calculated predictions prove out, what?

I believe there is a phone app that follows most of your ideas.   Whether or not it is accurate, I have no experience.   I don't spend the time on or near water to experiment.  I am interested in the experience of others. 

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Interesting topic. I've always thought "survival of the fittest" played a big part - big fish (or deer or most animals) don't get big by being stupid.

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2 hours ago, Mark said:

Interesting topic. I've always thought "survival of the fittest" played a big part - big fish (or deer or most animals) don't get big by being stupid.

But wait.....You don't even know they exist until they do something stupid.  🤔

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