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7 minutes ago, tjm said:

tourney sponsors have bribed someone in the army or the power group to keep TR at optimal Tourney levels. 

Is there an optimal tournament water level?
 

 

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I go to Tablerock many times a year and the high water never bothered us.  Except one year it flooded one of the pools but we just put lawn chairs out in the flooded grass.  I still don't see how it affects the businesses around the lake. 

Well except when it flooded the resorts BELOW the dam. 

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7 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

Well sure if you use localize rainfall amounts over the entire basin but you know it didn't rain a solid 10" from Rogers to Springfield to Mountain Home and circle back through Kingston

Phil showed where the bulk of the rain fell in NW Arkansas during that storm. 

 

Did Bull come up 8ft after the  October 6th rain? Im guessing Bulls basin received more than 2".Your playing on both sides of the fence, or just stirring, which I like. And yes there is an optimum tourney level, it's about 10ft or more below normal pool.

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4 minutes ago, GENTLE said:

Did Bull come up 8ft after the  October 6th rain? Im guessing Bulls basin received more than 2".Your playing on both sides of the fence, or just stirring, which I like. And yes there is an optimum tourney level, it's about 10ft or more below normal pool.

I'm not trying to play both sides or stirring. I think its a fairly complex problem, that covers a fairly large area of land, that is extremely reactive to conditions that most don't think about.  Add in downstream effects and the magnitudes jump more than 10 fold. 

All the data is out there including historical:

-Peak stream flows

-Mean stream flows

-Lake levels

-Generation/dam releases

-Personal weather stations all over the place that record everything you could need

You can theorize that Johnny Morris is paying someone to keep Table Rock prime for tournaments but he has bigger fish to fry. The guy make far more money selling T-shirts, hats, and junk out of his store than he would by keeping Table Rock at prime level. It just doesn't matter to him. The only people a flood hurts is Ma and Pa shops and even then I side with @snagged in outlet 3 

The people lining pockets for these decisions are influenced by big AG/insurance companies and the results of downstream flooding. Nothing more, nothing less. 

FWIW a personal gauge in Protem did record 3" of rain on October 6th but it was relatively slow steady rain that came on the heels of a month of September with highs in the 90's and minimal rainfall. Based on that I would theorize your 10" of rain that fell in NW Arkansas(not all of which actually fell in the white river basin) was mostly held back by Beaver/TRL which both showed a rise and to the east where less rain fell, at a slower rate, it mostly soaked in. Shortly after that they begin lowering Table Rock(which by the way has much bigger inflow potential compared to Beaver) and then another rain happened. All the while, the only way Bull can release short of a true historical flood, is for the downstream gauges to allow them.

The corps handed out their guidelines which is pretty bold of them with the number of morning after engineers now a days.

 

 

 

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Devan, I dont put much stock into what some engineer or architect tells me after 25 plus years of working with them. They can draw you some pictures and scales and crunch a bunch of BS numbers together, but in the real world their numbers dont match reality. Example: I have a family business with several buildings and asphalt around them. When we were in the planning stages and going to city council meetings and whatnot, the mayor( who was a retired engineer by the way) came out with a bunch of calculations from our run off, and told people at those meetings that we'd FLOOD the town. Well long story short, we got approval to build and guess what, no such flooding has occurred in the 11+ years we've been there. Point being, numbers can be manipulated to be whatever you want them to be. Oh and by the way, ole Johnny has alot more interest in Table Rock than just selling shirts, if you havent noticed he owns everything on the east side of the lake.

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8 minutes ago, GENTLE said:

Devan, I dont put much stock into what some engineer or architect tells me after 25 plus years of working with them. They can draw you some pictures and scales and crunch a bunch of BS numbers together, but in the real world their numbers dont match reality. Example: I have a family business with several buildings and asphalt around them. When we were in the planning stages and going to city council meetings and whatnot, the mayor( who was a retired engineer by the way) came out with a bunch of calculations from our run off, and told people at those meetings that we'd FLOOD the town. Well long story short, we got approval to build and guess what, no such flooding has occurred in the 11+ years we've been there. Point being, numbers can be manipulated to be whatever you want them to be. Oh and by the way, ole Johnny has alot more interest in Table Rock than just selling shirts, if you havent noticed he owns everything on the east side of the lake.

Oh hell yes!   Now we're cookin'! 👍

Biologists, Engineers, and Architects..... bastards, all of them !

As soon as I finish this plate of Alfredo I'll get a few shots of Devil's Cut, and we'll take this right where it belongs.    😊

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