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Think N. Korean rocket man is certainly lying. Bet he has killed more by torture & starvation than the virus ever will kill in his country this year. China lied, and is still lying. Russia is lying. You cant trust those statistics...US is rather transparent, and probably similar to what is going on in Europe, but those country's are tiny. US has a population of 340M, and 1.5M is cases...90K dead. 3rd largest country in the world, China lies, and India has no way to report what is going on.

The scientist are not going to solve it anytime soon. Suck it up Butter Cup. Protect yourself and your family, but go back to work, all you can do. The virus has no brain, and it does not care about you, has no malice. If you get it you kick it or you don't. . A virus is only one step below a politician...Politician has at least one thought, themselves.

 

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8 hours ago, Terrierman said:

I'm not sure in the least there is  a solution.  Until there is an effective vaccine.

If this beast mutates like they think that they have seen, there may never be one Rick. Flu shot has been around a long time and still thousands die from the flu every year.

Here is what I would love to hear, what does the science say. "Listen to the science" has become nothing more than a catch phrase to either support of refute someone else's argument. Listen to the science and continue the lockdown until.... Listen to the science that provides evidence that the curve has flattened and we can ease the restrictions. 

There is really a lot of concern from a bunch of guys that live in areas where you have a 0.2% chance of contracting covid and in a country that doesn't have a death rate greater than 10% for confirmed cases like most of the EU. That's even if you didn't  wear a mask. That is what the data says. Maybe that's due to not really being exposed to COVID or already being sick at a lesser grade. Regardless take the necessary precautions and go back to living your life without much trepidation. Also be thankful you don't  live in an area that still has hundreds of new cases a day.

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8 hours ago, wily said:

The only country that has been successful is North Korea...did I read that right?

No offense...but $hit fire...if you believe anything coming out of North Korea...you’re crazy.

honestly...the jury is still out On where this thing ends up for the ole US of A...But my bet is the Supreme Court 

Exactly my point.....I would bet there is huge discrepancy in the USA numbers if we really got to looking at it. Heck we know for sure not everyone is being testing so we know the numbers cant be remotely true as far as infection rate and death rate. We know were missing data. 

The comical thing to me is this: Why did anyone expect our federal government to get this right? We can go down the list of things our federal government does or has done and its one check after against them......regardless of party in power. 

VA hospitals.....postal system.......Obamacare rollout......war in Iraq......war on drugs......

We largely stumble, trip, and fall over just about every major thing we do.....why would this be any different? There's to many people involved pulling too many different ways for anything to be successful.

My employer has cut hourly employees from 40+ to capped at 32 hrs. Those people are filing work share for their last 8hrs and getting the $600 bonus bump......something wrong with that. Fail for the government. 

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9 hours ago, Al Agnew said:

We have forgotten that we are all Americans, that we all want pretty much the same things, but disagree on how to achieve them. 

This is the notion I’ve been struggling with lately (past 10 years). Do we really want the same thing???  It seems achieving the things we want is the most, and really only important part, not what we actually want.

So I’ve come to the realization that as Americans we really don’t want the same things. It’s a non achievable goal. I don’t want my grand children being taught at school by a drag queen.  I don’t want population control by any means. I don’t want a panel deciding whether to refuse medical help for me or my family.  
 

expect the wrath of Al to be unleashed
 

 

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can someone who says Trump has mismanaged this thing, please list exactly what should have been done.

Has Sleepy Joe listed what he would have done different?

Since the political mudslinging continues, I must re-inject with reminders of what the Great Hussein did.  I have been ignoring the political crap, but it has continued.

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.
2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
5. First President to violate the War Powers Act.
6. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
7. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
8. First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.
9. First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
10. First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
11. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.
12. First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
13. First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.
14. First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.
15. First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
16. First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
17. First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
18. First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.
19. First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
20. First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
21. First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
22. First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).
23. First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
24. First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
25. First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.
26. First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.
27. First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.
28. First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
29. First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.
30. First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.
31. First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
32. First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
33. First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.
34. First President to repeat the Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.
35. First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).
36. First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences."
37. Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

 

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1 hour ago, Johnsfolly said:

If this beast mutates like they think that they have seen, there may never be one Rick. Flu shot has been around a long time and still thousands die from the flu every year.

Here is what I would love to hear, what does the science say. "Listen to the science" has become nothing more than a catch phrase to either support of refute someone else's argument. Listen to the science and continue the lockdown until.... Listen to the science that provides evidence that the curve has flattened and we can ease the restrictions. 

There is really a lot of concern from a bunch of guys that live in areas where you have a 0.2% chance of contracting covid and in a country that doesn't have a death rate greater than 10% for confirmed cases like most of the EU. That's even if you didn't  wear a mask. That is what the data says. Maybe that's due to not really being exposed to COVID or already being sick at a lesser grade. Regardless take the necessary precautions and go back to living your life without much trepidation. Also be thankful you don't  live in an area that still has hundreds of new cases a day.

I'm going to wait and see what happens with the reopenings before changing behaviors much.

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11 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Let’s just see if there’s a spike in the virus in the next couple of weeks after all this opening up and loosening of lockdowns. That will speak volumes. 
 

You wont believe any data anyway, unless it supports your already held conclusions.  If there is a spike, you will call it fake, and if there is no spike, you will say "see I was right".  Its a win win for you.

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13 hours ago, N9BOW said:

You are a Troll!
Did you get your TDS FIX in for the day???? FEEEWL BETTEWR????..

I'm sorry you live like this... I really am!... Get some help.. he's your President whether you like it or not. I did with the last contestant (whom I voted for...big mistake) and didnt P!55&M0@ n like you do............. GET A GRIP DUDE!... Pull up your big boy pants (I know its hard for you)... IF YOU CAN... I'm rootin for ya!!!!! :shocked...again:

Your posts are so Tiresome, Tedious, Trite and Babyish.... (That is.....when you post your TDS crap).... Did you get the attention you so desperately need???? did I feed your appetite? TROLL????? hang on here ya go.... In case the answer is yes.

 

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Can you give me a list of all of the "trolls"? or your definition of one?  Is it just anyone who doesn't agree with you?  If someone presents an alternate view point, you quickly label them as trolls and start the name calling.  Weird how you don't see the irony.

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10 minutes ago, top_dollar said:

You wont believe any data anyway, unless it supports your already held conclusions.  If there is a spike, you will call it fake, and if there is no spike, you will say "see I was right".  Its a win win for you.

Not true

ps. Why do I go around wearing an N95 mask all day if I think it’s fake?

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1 hour ago, Terrierman said:

I'm going to wait and see what happens with the reopenings before changing behaviors much.

You have the luxury to be able to do just that. Many in this country cannot afford to sit and wait. Some of us may be in the high risk group do to genetics and life-style choices, but still have to go to work nearly everyday and have been doing so throughout the pandemic. We also have to manage our teams to remain productive while setting up processes that allow our workers to be as safe as possible.

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