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3 minutes ago, netboy said:

Another interesting question...

Al states in the original post that "brown trout have not proven to be able to reproduce anywhere in the Ozarks".  With that said I wonder why AGFC closes the Bull Shoals C&R area to all fishing from Nov 1 thru Jan 31 to accommodate the brown trout spawning efforts??

I'm going to assume that it's a water temperature thing.   Tailwaters are consistently colder during the Summer months.   But to me that makes no sense because Browns don't spawn in the Summer.    

Who knows 🙄 You're dealing with biologists....so nothing is required to make sense.  

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So.....does this make it OK to shoot kayaks?     Just kidding of course (trying to head off someone losing it over this comment made in jest).

You just haven't had them prepared right.....😂  @BilletHeadprobably has a recipe.😁

I'm good with stocking it White Ribbon style, or just allowing it to return to a smallmouth and sucker fishery like it is supposed to be.   It's going to be 30-50 years before the "shade" returns, and

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Maybe its all the day drinkers floating and peeing in the water that's warming it up too much?

Maybe they should close the entire stream from April to Nov. to prevent casual floaters peeing in the water?

Maybe MDC should dump semi loads of ICE into the warm water sections to cool it down?

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1 hour ago, netboy said:

Not following your logic Wrench...

They close it for Nov, Dec & Jan. 

That is when they say the browns spawn.

So the browns can't successfully spawn elsewhere because of WHAT then?   

I assumed it was because of water temps....but nearly any stream should be cool enough during that time period.   

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4 hours ago, netboy said:

I am not a biologist but I don't think genetics change over time.  There is a rather large industry that makes millions of dollars testing DNA and reporting an individual's ancestry through many generations.   JMO

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Brown trout do reproduce naturally on the Bull Shoals and Greer's Ferry tailwater. I'm not sure about the Norfork tailwater, and Taneycomo has temperature issues.

Gateway TU is running an experiment. They put out a bunch of vibert boxes full of brown trout eggs in a spring creek that runs into to Huzzah a couple weeks ago. Will see what happens.

We could probably have allot more wild rainbow trout fisheries in MO & AR, but you would need to get rid of the farm raised trout. Farm raised and stream born trout usually don't do well together to the detriment of the natives. Plus folks would complain about not being able to fish with cheese and keep a limit of slicks every time out.

 

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17 minutes ago, ness said:

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35 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

So the browns can't successfully spawn elsewhere because of WHAT then?   

I assumed it was because of water temps....but nearly any stream should be cool enough during that time period.   

It is my understanding that they do spawn in the White river during the winter. I just didn't get your post about summertime water temps.  

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