5bites Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The only reason I have for using them is another method of catching deep suspended fish, other than a drop shot. Fish right now are not at jerkbait level. They are at the thermocline suspended in open water and over cover. Exactly what the bait "says" its designed for. Not a jerk bait. I am looking for the bait to operate in that 25' to 35' level to present itself at the depth the fish are holding. There are a 1000 baits that will catch them in 10' and under. Guess I really did not understand what the bait was designed to do. I just don't see that happening on a slow retrieve. Now if you could care less about that then obviously it's as easy as making a heavier lure or as you mentioned earlier adding weight to the line. About the only way it could be done I'd think would be with a type of sinking billed bait and using line type and diameter to moderate the depth. As far as hard baits go anyway. I'll be curious of your opinion of the duo. I ordered one to try and may get the gfix version to use a heavier line or add depth.
Bill Babler Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 To ease some of my confusion with this bait, I called TW and asked if they had someone that knew the poop on the spinbaits. They gave me a very nice man that said he would try and give me what I needed to know. Here is the deal. The most popular spinbait is the Duo Realis 80 in Emperor and Ghost Shad. The Megabass the Lucky Craft along with the pricy Gan Craft all conbined do not sell the numbers of the Realis. I asked him if this was due to price, and he said most definitely not. Our number 1 selling stickbait is the Vision 110, It sells twice the amount of every other company combined so price is not the issue. How the bait works is the issue. The spinbaits are designed with Table Rock and the White River chain of lakes in mind. They are clear water baits to be fished at any depth in the water column to suspended fish. He says the Duo Realis is a much faster sinker than either the X-plose or the LC models. He also said he was sure that we would want the G-Fix although it says it is 3/8th. the same as the 80, it is several grams heaver and will sink faster. Fished on 4 pound mono that is recommended is should sink at the rate of 1.6 ft. per second. He said it should not be a problem to fish it in the mid-20'range. He also said the ad says it is fishable on a baitcaster. He cautioned against this saying it will fish much, much better on a spinning rod with light line. Good tip is the Xpose and Xpose Jr. are 10' and less baits. The LC is also in that category. The Duo 80 is a 10'-20' bait and the G-Fix let your graph and the fish be your guide, even if it says 18' to 20' It is designed to be fished in the wind and it most certainly will get down to the bass on Table Rock. Ok, I'm starting all over. http://whiteriveroutfitters.com http://whiteriverlodgebb.com
Guest Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 To ease some of my confusion with this bait, I called TW and asked if they had someone that knew the poop on the spinbaits. They gave me a very nice man that said he would try and give me what I needed to know. Here is the deal. The most popular spinbait is the Duo Realis 80 in Emperor and Ghost Shad. The Megabass the Lucky Craft along with the pricy Gan Craft all conbined do not sell the numbers of the Realis. I asked him if this was due to price, and he said most definitely not. Our number 1 selling stickbait is the Vision 110, It sells twice the amount of every other company combined so price is not the issue. How the bait works is the issue. The spinbaits are designed with Table Rock and the White River chain of lakes in mind. They are clear water baits to be fished at any depth in the water column to suspended fish. He says the Duo Realis is a much faster sinker than either the X-plose or the LC models. He also said he was sure that we would want the G-Fix although it says it is 3/8th. the same as the 80, it is several grams heaver and will sink faster. Fished on 4 pound mono that is recommended is should sink at the rate of 1.6 ft. per second. He said it should not be a problem to fish it in the mid-20'range. He also said the ad says it is fishable on a baitcaster. He cautioned against this saying it will fish much, much better on a spinning rod with light line. Good tip is the Xpose and Xpose Jr. are 10' and less baits. The LC is also in that category. The Duo 80 is a 10'-20' bait and the G-Fix let your graph and the fish be your guide, even if it says 18' to 20' It is designed to be fished in the wind and it most certainly will get down to the bass on Table Rock. Ok, I'm starting all over. I cant force myself to fish anything on 4lb test, much less a $20 bait. If I could get away with 10lb braid, thats a different story. Good luck & keep grinding. I found this article, maybe its helpful: http://www.wired2fish.com/spybait-fishing-introduction/
Guest Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Well, I just bought this model off Ebay. DUO REALIS SPINBAIT 80 G-FIX 10.5g GHOST MINNOW I'm actually going to use it on the Elk River smallmouth, since I never fish at Table Rock.
5bites Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Another thing I'm curious about is say the gfix gets down like they're saying, could you nearly vertical fish with it while moving just fast enough to keep it flat? Then you could target fish more specifically.
5bites Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Strolling I guess with a bait suspended at the fishes level.
Members Craig Posted August 19, 2014 Members Posted August 19, 2014 Have fished the Duo Realis 80 twice. Last Thursday had fair results. Would cast at fish that were pushing minnows on surface and let it sink to thermocline 15 to 17 feet where I was fishing. They would hit it on the drop and stick less than half the time. Seemed to get more hooked when at that depth and had it moving. Today not any luck with the bait didn't see as much fish activity. could only get them off bottom. I was fishing 6# Floro P-line so a bit heavy, but I'm a chicken to use 4# except for trout. It would sink horizontal and wobble going down and cast a good distance. My best guess it would sink at 1'/sec. I'm going to keep trying it on suspended fish.
Bill Babler Posted August 19, 2014 Author Posted August 19, 2014 Well, I just bought this model off Ebay. DUO REALIS SPINBAIT 80 G-FIX 10.5g GHOST MINNOW I'm actually going to use it on the Elk River smallmouth, since I never fish at Table Rock. Let us know how that model works. The guy I talked to said that model has the fastest sink rate of any of the spinbaits, and is designed for open water suspended bass fishing. Don't know how deep you are fishing in the Elk, but I would have a lure retriever on hand just incase it finds the bottom on a continuing basis. Good Luck http://whiteriveroutfitters.com http://whiteriverlodgebb.com
Guest Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Let us know how that model works. The guy I talked to said that model has the fastest sink rate of any of the spinbaits, and is designed for open water suspended bass fishing. Don't know how deep you are fishing in the Elk, but I would have a lure retriever on hand just incase it finds the bottom on a continuing basis. Good Luck Should I have ordered a slower sinker for 6-8ft water at the Elk? I have one very deep hole in mind 15-18ft deep. Otherwise, its going to Tenkiller on the next outing. Those fish are 20-35' deep right now. It should work on those deep schools chasing shad in open water. Thats my hope anyways.
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