Ryan Miloshewski Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Flysmallie said: Deer hair is tough to love but it gets down just fine if you do it right. But I have this new love for deer hair all of a sudden. Don't know why because I have always hated tying it. Oh no but why?? Spinning it I can do with a few colors but I just hate the stuff haha. Maybe I'll come to terms with it one day like you have.. “To those devoid of imagination a blank place on the map is a useless waste; to others, the most valuable part.”--Aldo Leopold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinwrench Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Nothing seems to "push water" like deer hair. I've tried the wool and Lazer dub heads and they just don't make the magic happen for me. Once deer hair is good and soaked it gets down just fine. I use the hair from the base of a bucktail for streamers 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Miloshewski Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, fishinwrench said: Nothing seems to "push water" like deer hair. I've tried the wool and Lazer dub heads and they just don't make the magic happen for me. Once deer hair is good and soaked it gets down just fine. I use the hair from the base of a bucktail for streamers 👍 Tricky with heavy flows. I throw a 350 or 400 grain sinking line and anything with deer hair sits high in the column while the line makes a bow from it to the boat. Not saying they won't eat it, but I really don't like the way it works when it does that crap. “To those devoid of imagination a blank place on the map is a useless waste; to others, the most valuable part.”--Aldo Leopold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flysmallie Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Ryan Miloshewski said: Tricky with heavy flows. I throw a 350 or 400 grain sinking line and anything with deer hair sits high in the column while the line makes a bow from it to the boat. Not saying they won't eat it, but I really don't like the way it works when it does that crap. Maybe the heads are packed too tight?? Those heads that are packed tight sure are pretty but they take a long time to get good and water logged where they fish well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flysmallie Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Ryan Miloshewski said: Oh no but why?? Spinning it I can do with a few colors but I just hate the stuff haha. Maybe I'll come to terms with it one day like you have.. I'm basically coming to terms without out of necessity. I've got the bug to spend more time fly fishing for smallmouth again. The biggest smallmouth I have stuck with a fly have all hit deer hair bugs. I think if you want a shot at a good smallmouth then you have to come to terms with deer hair. Hopefully this year I will have some results to prove my theory. nomolites and Ryan Miloshewski 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Miloshewski Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, Flysmallie said: Maybe the heads are packed too tight?? Those heads that are packed tight sure are pretty but they take a long time to get good and water logged where they fish well. Could be that. Those would be ones I did not tie because I am not going to sculpt that head for me to lose it on a tree five casts in “To those devoid of imagination a blank place on the map is a useless waste; to others, the most valuable part.”--Aldo Leopold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Tap's Bugs are about my only deer hair fly. For big flies Decievers, Seaducers and such suit me. I don't aim for big bass though, I doubt I ever caught one much over 19" and when they get turned loose anyway it's just another fish. I do want to find a catfish fly that works and I may have to turn to hair for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinwrench Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Ryan Miloshewski said: Tricky with heavy flows. I throw a 350 or 400 grain sinking line and anything with deer hair sits high in the column while the line makes a bow from it to the boat. Not saying they won't eat it, but I really don't like the way it works when it does that crap. Yeah I wouldn't like that either. I throw a bulkhead deciever on a 4 ips line quite a bit, and I can get it about 3' deep easily on an average presentation. But I'm seldom trying to fish it across heavy current. You probably need something with lead eyes or a cone head for that kinda water, if you really need to get it deeper. Ryan Miloshewski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 There is a trick to spinning deer hair. Its in the book "Practical Flies and Their Construction" by Lacey Gee (founder of Wapsi) and the Wapsi beginner fly tying manual. Its tough to explain without an illustration, but easy to do with a small amount of practice and a darning needle. Its a commercial tying method, and it works ALLOT better than the spin it around the hook and hope method. Ryan Miloshewski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinwrench Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, tjm said: I do want to find a catfish fly that works For whatever reason, I catch quite a few catfish and walleye on this one... BilletHead, tjm and Ryan Miloshewski 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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