Hey phil, also hasnt the shocking surveys showed us that the number of browns was way down since 08. I think the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit. If this is the case then how many browns are in the whole system right now. Should mdc make a stronger effort in releasing alot more browns than they plan? it seems in my little mind that it may take 10-20 years to see taney again the way it was in the mid 2000s