creek wader

Ok, at the risk of looking like a beginner, I'll give this a shot. I've seen the infomercial a million times and always thought it was a joke. Has anybody pulled the trigger and bought them? Did it work or not? I got online and read a lot reviews, and most swore by them. A few said, save your money. I'm not sure how "real", those reviews are. I figured this was the best site to ask someone. I realize that most fisherman, don't want to admit being taken buy an infomercial. But, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. The whole system is only a $20 bill, but I hate being taken.

Wow! Looks like I have my reading assignment for the winter. I searched several of the mentioned books, on the internet, and found more related books. I think I'll be busy this winter. Keep firing them out there, guys.

After doing some more checking. It's definatly a class III and even class IV, in some places. Be careful if you canoe or kayak it. Personally, I'd wade fish it. I'd try it myself, but it's to far for me to travel. Good luck and keep us posted. ... wader

Your right, this would be the best place for your post. Sorry, I've never been to Marble Creek. Although, I looked it up. It flows into the St. Francis near a small town called French Mills. According to to the info that I found, it is a good wade/fish stream for smallies. Sounds like a really pretty stream. I'm sure there's some locals out there, that know much more about it. Here's a couple of web-sites you may want to check out. : http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/forests/marktwain/...s/marble_creek/ http://www.riverfacts.com/rivers/11737.html

I prefer smallies and walleye. I like what Trav says here: .. boosting the current Smallmouth and Walleye populations, and using yellow perch as an intermediate forage option as well as for fry-pan game fishing opportunities would be the best scenario. None of the four species would impact the staus quo. There is already a tiny population of smallies and walleye already. Channel Cats would thrive in Taneycomos deeper lower end and would help the walleye keep the yellow perch populations in check.

I bought a Shimano Solstace Spinning Reel, last spring. I was slaying crappie on the Lower Osage, about a month ago. Then the bail wouldn't flip back. I took it apart and it had a "spung" spring. I tried to fix it to no avail. Had to give up that day. I took it home and worked on it, still couldn't be fixed. It'll be going back to Cabela's in the next few days. I loved the reel up to that point.

Trav, Thanks for the info on Tanney, I doubt if I'll ever get the chance to fish Tanney, but it's nice to know about it. Just in case. I enjoy reading your reports. ... Good Luck. .... Wader

Sounds like a good day. All before lunch. Didn't realize Tanney was a bass lake. Only hear about the trout. We're you catching largemouths or smallies? On crankbaits?

Same here, good luck. .. wader

Ok thanks. That's what I figured. I'll be talking to you when spring approaches, to see how your doing. Linhardt fishes the Osage also, I'll have to see how he does, come spring. Don't hesitate to post to this site. I'm interested in anything biting in the area. Thanks again.

When you canoe down from the dam. I take it you have a shuttle at the other end. Do you use your own canoe or is there a canoe/shuttle service? I have an inflatable kayak, that I have used on the Osage. My problem is I have to paddle back to where I put in.

I figured that I would have to move upstream quite aways to catch any wipers, whites or stripers. I've mainly fished in the Jeff. City area up to abouts 20 mi. upstream. Near Jeff. City, there is an old lock and dam, on the river. Most people come up from Osi-Mari CA, by boat and fish below it, for walleye, crappie, white bass. Access by land, is via private drive. I would love to fish it but, don't have a boat in Jeff. City. I've done mostly wade fishing on the Osage, when it is low. But, because of the various depth, was limited. I mainly fish the feeder streams of the Osage for smallies with decent success. Almost forgot. I haven't caught any Asian carp yet. But have spooked a few in the shallows while wade fishing the Osage. Impressive.

I'll have to get off my butt, and fish the Osage more, next spring. I spend too much time on the smaller streams playing with dinks.

Al, Cory, Thanks for the reports.

siusaluki, are talking in the area below the dam or further down stream?

Yeah Whiskey, you opened a can of worms, er, snakes. Everybody has a snake story or two. Especially fishermen.

I've caught quite a few smallies in the Lower Osage, mostly smaller ones but a few 15 in. or better. The feeder streams, Tavern Creek, Saline Creeek, Maries River, and Moreau River, all hold a decent population of smallies. The Lower Osage has a huge population of spotted bass so, true smallies are getting harder to find. The spots are mixing it up with the smallies. I've been catching more and more "spotted smallies" (hybrids). I did quite well on decent size crappie this fall, and heard others did better. I can't wait till the spring run to hit it again. Also, it holds a decent population of walleye, but I think they are really sauger. As far as stripers, I haven't got into any, yet. I think they'ed be closer to the dam, than where I fish. This forum has been pretty dead, glad to hear somebody is out there.

I've always thought and then did some research on the web, that viper's have an arrowhead shaped head. All the pics that I saw on the web, of cottonmouths and copperheads, did have an arrowhead shaped head. Their heads are larger than their necks. Kind of a flange look. The nonvenomous snakes heads were roughly the same size as their necks. Unfortunately, you have to be close enough to see this. Although, I've done a little research on the banded water snake, when threatened they'll inflate their heads, to appear like a copper head. That may lead to some misidentification. see .. http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/snakes/nerfas.htm ..Also, the pith vipers have two extra pits (holes) on their heads. I hope I never get close enough to see this. Something that suprised me, was the young cottonmouths were roughly the same color as the banded water snakes and copperheads. More of a brownish color with similar markings. Also, I too have heard that the cottonmouths and copperheads swim on top of the water and the nonvenomous snakes hang lower in the water with just the heads out. I couldn't find any confirmation of this on the net. Could be a bouyancy issue there, not sure. Anybody have any thoughts on that? .... I give all the snakes a wide berth.

I'm sure I'll stir up some crap with this one. But, it's getting cold and I'm getting cabin fever. So here it goes. .. I see snakes all the time. I don't believe there is a shortage of them, at least where I go fishing. Which is usaully off the beaten path. They don't bother me and I don't bother them. I don't believe in killing a snake in his own enviroment. He has more right to be there than I do. I imagine, in more public areas, their numbers are down. Do to the snakeaphobics. As far as cottonmouths, I've never seen one, nor a copperhead or a rattlesnake. I know they're out there, I've just been lucky, I guess. I've noticed that someone had posted that he had seen a dozen or so cottonmouths one day, when he was fishing, earlier this year. I'd like to see a pic of one them, that he saw. Chances are, they are common water snakes. Every snake in the water, that a snakeaphobic sees, is a cottonmouth, to them. I have seen many species of snakes swimming or near the water. I guess one could be mistaken. I've been fishing all over the midwest for over 40 yrs., in some of the most remote areas (swamps, backwater, and old riverbeds) and have never seen a cottonmouth. Like I said earlier, I know they are there. But, I think they must keep their distance. I'm not calling him a liar but, this is the "Show Me" state.

Cool. Good luck with the little guy.

I'm from Nebraska, but have lived in Mo. for 17 yrs. My heart still goes out to NU (been broken a lot lately). So, I still have an outsider's view of Mizzou. Seems like everytime Mizzou does something good, some outside force screws it up. The 5th down in the CU game. The imaculate reception, NU had against MU. This year, MU has their best season in my life time. They finally win their division, beat rival KU. They only lose two games, both to #4 OU. The other 2 loss BCS teams,lost to lesser ranked or unranked teams. Also, two teams that they beat, and rivals, Ill. and KU, make it to BCS bowls. But, because of the BCS rules, no conference can have two teams go to a BCS bowl. Also, they were ranked 6th in the BCS and 5 teams ranked below them, make it and they are left out. Poor Mizzou, It takes a true fan to have a good attitude when their program keeps getting screwed. They'll be back next year. Go Mizzou, beat the Hawgs.

A good current in an aquarium, would be tough. The logperch, that I observed in Table Rock didn't have any current, either. Still, they were quite active. I don't know whether they would eat it or not. But, I used to feed my chubs "newt and african frog food". Also, you may try crab food. Once again, I didn't mean anything bad, about you keeping the fish. I was only curious about the reglations. Sorry, if I came off wrong.

Ok, thanks for the info. I was just curious. There are many regulations that have grey areas in the MDC guides. .... Years ago, I did my open water and advance certification for scuba diving at Table Rock. One of the advance qualification dives was a "nature" dive. Our mission was to find a certain fish, that was described to us. It turned out to be the Logperch. Once, we finally found one, we found quite a few. They are a very interesting fish to study in the natural envirorment. They would make a neat aquarium pet. Thanks again for the replies. ... Wader

Al, you make some fine points. But, I guess I'll play devil's advocate. I don't think a log perch is a game fish. (mind you, it would be a neat fish to have in a aqaurium). I've never seen one in a pet store or at a fish farm. Now, bass, cat, sunfish, and others that were obtained from a fish farm or pet store, I can see. But, I don't think the state allows a person to catch a fish or animal from state waters and keep it for a pet. I myself have kept sunfish and chubs for months at a time, but to be used as bait. Through the years, I've known people to keep all kinds of critters including turtles, raccoons, and even rattlesnakes. Once again, I'm not attacking the guy with the log perch, and don't mean to raise a stink. I'm just curious if it is legal.

I'm just curious. Is it legal to keep a fish or other wild animals, taken from the wild, in captivity? I know everybody does it. I've thought about it myself. I've read the regulations and am still not sure.