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  1. Great summary and don't worry about being new to the forums!

    Hello - new here, came across this forum when reviewing recent changes in Missouri fuel laws.

    I started an ethanol fuel education website about 3 years ago because of the problems boaters were experiencing with E10 -so I felt obligated to post when I read inaccurate or misleading info here. (Now that E10 is widespread I interact more with auto owners, since boaters only account for 5 % of fuel purchased).

    My personal view is that ethanol alcohol blends of fuel are NOT compatible with marine engines...(engines that live in water, boaters' don't replace fuel often - and often store engines for extended periods of time - and boats used during most humid months.

    Yes I know marine manufacturers now allow for up to 10% ethanol, in newer engines, but most reluctantly changed fuel recommendations b/c they had no other choice (some areas do not have non-alcohol fuel readily available due to quotas they must meet for renewable fuels).

    For those that don't know much about ethanol, briefly -it's an ethyl alcohol used to oxygenate gas in E10, is a solvent, degreaser, antifreeze, miscible/hygroscopic - readily attracts and absorbs water, and has a shelf life of max 3 months under ideal low humidity condition.

    Without posting several links - it will be hard to get you all the facts you need - but hopefully info/link below will direct you thread towards factual and useful info.

    Aircraft fuel is not safe or recommended for marine or auto engines- There are several different types of aviation fuel, if you specifically state which aviation fuel you're discussing - I can explain exact reasons why -

    but keep in mind that aviation fuel has a very different composition than auto/marine fuels. Aviation fuel ignites and burns at a different temperature, and has different additives (de-icing, etc.). Most important is it lacks many of the the stabilizers, conditioners and lubricants found in auto/marine fuel. (Explains why aviation fuel burns completely, unlike conventional gas). gasoline contains hundreds of ingredients - all serve a purpose to meet ASTM fuel standards. BTW it's not the higher octane that's the problem, since marine engines usually can handle higher octane fuels (often recomended).

    The Missouri Renewable Fuel Standard became effective January 2008. Federal standards and laws (eg. RFS, Alternative Motor Fuel Acts, etc.) guide mandates and quotas for renewable fuels. What concerns me in Missouri, is their standard does little to allow consumers easy and informed access to non-alcohol fuels.

    Missouri is one of 13 states that still does not require ethanol (E10) labeling - (Bad)...

    While Missouri previously had provision for no alcohol in premium gas, (Good) http://www.ethanol.org/pdf/contentmgmt/ACE...us_07_web-1.pdf

    they now are saying "all gasoline must contain 10% ethanol"...marinas and premium over 91 exempt..."it may be blended with ethanol"...

    So no longer can you feel safe when buying premium that it does not contain ethanol...

    Wonder how they plan to enforce statemnt that premium will be "advertised as not containing ethanol" when it does not contain alcohol?

    See Missouri Renewable Fuel Standard Act (2008): http://www.mda.mo.gov/FuelQuality/renewablefuelstandard.htm

    I think this page will be very informative to you also: (Ten Things Missouri Tank Owners and Operators Need to Know About Ethanol).

    http://www.mda.mo.gov/pdf/morenewablefuelstandard.pdf

    I have marine pages plus ethanol precautions on my website, plus information on fuel additives that contain alcohol (be very careful when adding any gas treatment products to tank- always check the MSDS first, if you're using E10 gas -

    Eg. Evinrude 2 plus 4 fuel conditioner contains 95% isopropyl alcohol...

    CD2 Engine Tune-up contains 100% alcohol (methanol plus other ingredients)...

    K100 Marine Gas Treatment contains butoxyethanol, ethylene gloycol and more...

    as do many other brands and types of octane enhancers, fuel system cleaners, etc.

    I know many boat owners in Missouri are always checking gas (Portable Alcohol Test Kit), if you need more info on alcohol testing, just ask.

    Hope this helps -

    Hope the Missouri gov links are acceptable, being a newcomer I always try not to link in initial posts, but I think the Missouri RFS is very important for you all to read and know.

    If you would like me to post my list of Top 20 Ethanol Precautions here (about 2 pages)- let me know, and I will.

    Note: had difficulty with formatting of post, tried editing, so please ignore if bold or other format incorrect.

  2. John,

    After reading Phil's recommendation, I tried them. I bought two pair that are also No Line Progressives. I'm happy with them but it appears that the only way they polarize them is with the external lenses (clip ons?). As I wanted sunglasses specifically, I was hoping that they would come polarized without using clip ons. I'm still happy with them and I even bought my daughter a pair after finding that out. Their prices are great and there's a good selection. You need to have all your prescription information, including the interocular(?) distance, the distance between your pupils. I would agree with Phil, its a great find.

    Bob

  3. Larry,

    I know the gas prices are affecting my plans. I was hoping to get out for a couple of quick weekend trips this spring, maybe even some out and back the same day. I'm having a hard time justifying those trips these days. Hopefully, I'll be able to put together a couple of multi-day trips this summer.

    Bob

  4. Redbird,

    I've only been to Hickory once, last year. It wasn't nearly as crowded as the parks. The action was slower, but I really enjoyed it and am looking to go back soon. If you've got a couple of days, Capps and Crane aren't too far to combine a trip.

    I think its worth the trip, but the recent flooding may have made it unfishable for a while. There was a clean-up effort after last year's flooding and it may need it again.

    You may want to start from the park and work your way downstream. That's my plan, anyway, the next time I get the chance to run down there. I've been wanting to work my way down to the Spring River confluence.

    Good luck and post a report if you go any time soon!

    Bob

  5. Mark,

    Glad to hear you got down to Crane. I've only been once and also was skunked. Sounds like some of us KC guys need to get organized and share some travel costs. That is, if work allows me the time to go. I only got out twice last year, once to BSSP and once to Hickory/Capps/Taney.

  6. I have subcontractors in South America and customers in the middle east that I use to stay in touch with on Skype. Amazed at the clarity of the calls! I can hear the folks on the other end rustling papers at their desk while we're talking. Haven't used the video feed either, though.

  7. David

    I've had that one for a while and like it too! I keep waiting for the updated version of "Fishing the Missouri Trout Parks" to come out. Its been out of print and being updated for some time. No confidence in the update for the expected re-release date. I also try to get the trout stream maps from the MDC every year. They are a great source of information.

    Bob

  8. Its not so much about fishing in the Cowboy days, although that is part of it, but a treatise on the history and tradition of western fly fishing, specifically, Montana fly fishing. As you'd probably expect, the stonefly is a large part of it. The perspective is that western fly fishing is perceived as having no history by the current practitioners whereas eastern fly fishing has a definite tradition. The author claims that is not accurate, that there is actually a long tradition of western fly fishing and significant contributions. It reads more like a textbook than anything else, I think that it is intended to be used as such.

  9. I just finished reading Cowboy Trout by Paul Schullery and was wondering what you all thought about it. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten to do much fishing this summer, so I've been living vicariously through literature. "Cowboy Trout" almost seems like an attempt at a specialized history book to me. I'm glad I read it, but its not the stuff of Traver, Lyons, Gierach, etc. Has it been used in any history courses you know? It claims to be a history of western fly fishing, but is really more of a history of Montana fly fishing. I was disappointed it didn't discuss other areas in the west such as Colorado (though maybe too much has been written about that) or southern Missouri/northern Arkansas (then again, maybe I wouldn't appreciate new found popularity on these streams). What do you think?

  10. KR,

    The minijigs are really small jigs in a variety of weights. I wasn't familiar with them either until a professed "lunker hunter" gave me a white one and told me to fish it as close to the bottom as possible. Right off the vegetation. I think beadheads are just about the same thing as the minijigs, except you don't have to thread the bead on the hook or tie a couple of wraps to keep it up near the eye. They come in a wide variety and can be found in the fly selection at the lodge where you buy your tag at Bennett. I think Weavers also carries them, in fact, I'm sure they do because that's where I usually get my "undressed" jigs. I think the white thread minijig is a fair representation of a beadhead scud. The weight on the jig gets it down pretty quickly and with an indicator you can fish it just about anywhere you want in the water column. You'll spot the "John Deere" the first time you see it due to the coloration, green with a yellow eye. Another common patter is a bit of white, pink or green marabou tied in just past the weight. I've seen beadheads at other locations, but the minijigs are most common at Bennett and Roaring River. I've not been to the other parks so I can't really say. I've had luck with them outside the parks too, on the Niangua and at Taneycomo in particular. As I indicated, I like them for all the patterns I would use a beadhead because I end up dropping beads on the floor and making a mess. I don't have one of those bead tweezers so, I end up doing it the old fashioned way. Give them a try and lets hear about it!

    Bob

  11. Bob A,

    Thanks for your comments too! They are right on target. I've avoided opening day at Bennett and have learned to deal with the crowds during the rest of the season. On a stream that short and pretty, its always going to be difficult finding a stretch to yourself. About the only time I've ever experienced it at Bennett was during the end of a thunderstorm that passed over. Most everyone left when it started and I was just getting there. I rode it out and pretty soon had Zone 1 all to myself for about an hour or more. The sun came back out and so did the crowds. Even when there are a bunch of folks there, most are really helpful.

    I think Bennett trains fisherfolk to deal with crowds without losing sight of the reason we're all there. That's a good thing. I also think you're right about the regular folks fishing Bennett. Most are "salt of the earth" folks. I too hope that our Ozarks streams don't become more popular. That's probably politically incorrect for the guides, fly shops and resorts, but its my hope. Numbers will likely increase with the regional population increase and that's more than enough. At any rate, I'll keep going to Bennett for the fishing, the peacefulness of the park and the comaraderie! With any luck, good manners will rub off.

  12. I've always liked topwater, cork popping bugs. Bumble Bee (yellow and black) with a black maribou tail or red and white with a red tail. Guess those are kind of classic, or should I say boring? But I still like them and they produce. That purple bug is great looking and I may have to tie up something like it myself. Is it hard to get down without the lead? Does it tend to stick in the surface tension?

  13. With all the discussion in the Taneycomo forum on manners and in particular, shuffling, I got a belly-chuckle from the picture posted on Weaver's Fishing Report for Opening Day at Bennett, see http://www.missouritrout.com/weavers/report.html.

    Anyone who's fished Bennett, especially on a summer weekend, should very much appreciate the relative solitude found on Taneycomo (even on a busy day). Good manners are one of the few discriminators between us and apes and IMHO, becoming more rare every day. Crowds like Bennett regularly get drive that point home to me and, I hope, most anglers. I've experienced just about every kind of rude behaviour there as well as some of the most kind and helpful response from complete strangers. I do prefer solitude, but I've also found that I'm able to find something akin to it even in the crowds at Bennett. It also challenges me to show and improve my own manners.

    Just thought some of you might like a little different perspective on stream-side behaviour.

  14. My son and I fished Barclay before opening day with similar results, though only one brown. Water was down, but not "super low". Good for us as we were on foot. Absolutely zero canoe traffic and a bit chilly, but a nice way to start the new year!

  15. Almost as long as I can remember. Translated, that means 30+ years with about an 11 year hiatus while in the Navy. My great-grandfather lived just off the lake in Forsyth, about half a mile up from Powersite Dam. We visited at least a couple of times every year from our home in south Kansas City, on the Kansas side, usually stopping at Osceola Cheese on the way down and again on the way home. I remember doing just about every kind of fishing except fly fishing on Taney, until recently.

    I remember swimming at Shadow Rock on Swan Creek and a hole upstream where an old iron bridge crossed the creek, playing skee-ball at Rockaway Beach and attending Sunday services in Branson, when it was still a pretty sleepy town. The biggest entertainment attractions were the Baldknobbers and the Shepherd of the Hills play.

    Most of my fishing was for bass and panfish on either a Zebco spin-cast or some other brand spinning rod. Trout were for the grown-ups. Even though I started flyfishing for panfish around 12 years old, throwing popping bugs to blue gills on farm ponds, I never used it on Taney until a couple of years ago up at the dam, fishing the KOA rip-rap. I recall one Sunday morning running my great-grandfather's trot line, with my grand-dad rowing the john boat and already dressed for church, we pulled in a 40 lb Blue Catfish off the park just down from the cabin. Boy, were we in trouble with grand-ma when we came back toting that catfish! Lots of other memories I should probably put down for posterity. Thanks for posting the topic and letting me relive some old memories!

    Bob

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