Micheal Kyle

Backcountry Outfitters is hosting a Big Trout C&R Tournament Dates September 15 -November 30, 2009 Picture must be in my hands by the end of business on November 30th Location: Lake Taneycomo Entry fee- FREE Take a picture of your fish get the length and girth. The fisherman must be pictured with the fish and the fish must be released. We will use the math formula (G*G*L/800) to determine weight if there is a tie the earliest entry will be the winner. The winner will be notified by phone or e-mail on December 1st. First Place: Lamson Lite Speed #2 $300.00 value Second Place: TFO Professional Series 9ft 5wt rod $150.00 value Third Place: Rio Gold Fly line We will have a separate Guide Division same rules but only one prize The guide that wins will win a Pair of Riverside sunglasses from Smith Optics and Bragging Rights. If you have any questions please call or stop by the shop 417-889-6548 2863 South Campbell Springfield, Mo. 65807 Good Luck Michael

What a pig great catch

To all TMI Terry I think that my truck will have to be in the car wash all weekend

Don't worry Terry I will do what needs to be done and bring Bob Clouser up to the Airport

Great job Brian. Maybe he should post the number to the power house. I can say I don't have it I know there is a phone up there at the stairs but if every body had it in thier phones it might save someone. Just as Brian did! Again great job Brian

This weekend had to be the best so far for summer fishing with terrestrials. Friday they had the water off and wading was great. I decide to have my clients wade up by the dam then float down to the White Hole access. What a day on Midges black and red Zebra midges were the best for us. When we got down to Cane Island right above Gaston's we started to swing some streamers on 200gr sink tip lines and that was hot the 56er in a size 10 worked the best. They were hoping to catch some on hoppers but with the cloud cover and no wind it was just not going to happen. Saturday came about in a good way 2 units yes we floated Wildcat to Cotter swinging streamers then after lunch we started slamming the banks with a parachute hopper size 10. Up in the shoals we were swinging the DW and the 56er both flies produced several fish. The real fun came after we floated down past the shoal the clouds let go to the sun and the wind picked up perfect for hoppers. From about 1-5 my clients picked up about 40 fish on the hopper. I was keeping the boat about 40 - 50 feet off of the bank and I had them hitting the water hard with hopper making it ripple out they would slam it right there. Very few were picked up on a drift. Good luck and tight lines Michael

Brian and others What would like to see let me know and I will work on it. One thing I would like to see to see is habitat improvement on Taney on the upper section boulders and dreg it out. Michael

You are correct he is not. Last time I talked to him he was working as an independent guide and Estes Angler used him a bunch. He lives in Loveland last I knew. He knows the Big Thompson and RMNP better than anybody I know out there.

Greg, Just caught this thread glad you had a great time good looking pics too. There is only one thing I wish I could get done and that is to stay at the Stanley Kristina refuses, I tell her every time it is just a movie. HUm (Here's Johnny) I also saw someone else has photos from there and they must have found Greg at Estes Angler he is a great guy and very knowledgeable about the area. Michael

Sweet Fish Glad it all came together for you

That is a great looking fly

Well great now you have figured out Leonards and my night time game

I would have to agree with Luke

Ok on a more serious note I would say my most favorite tool would be my camera. So that I can get pics of cool things that only take place out n the wild. Plus I can get all my fins and smiles pics of all my Smallmouth, Largemouth,Crappie, Whitebass, Carp, Walleye, Sea trout, Redfish, Gar, Bluegill, Steelhead,Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout, Cutthroat Trout, Brook Trout even though it is really in the char family, Artic Char, Grayling, Blue fish, Channel catfish, Bullhead head catfish, Buffalo Carp, Grass carp, Tuna, Mai Mai, Baracuda, Jacks, Spoonbill, Goggle Eye, Stripper,Hybrids, Sauger,Pike. I really cant think of any other species but all of these were caught on a fly rod and captured on a camera. So as you can see thats why it would be my favorite tool. Remember no pic no fish

Well why you are standing on the bank trying to figure out how you are going to catch fish with your tools. I will be catching fish because my favorite tool will be my line with a hook already attached. I can make a rod and keep the line in my pocket.

It looks like there are a lot rules and regs out there that do not match up to fly tying material and flies that are tied these days. As I said in post 10 the regional director for this area was contacted and now it looks like the regional director up in the St.Louis area also said he would issue a ticket.I think that the regs for the fly fisherman need to be re visited and prob ally need to be revised for some new innovative materials like the rubber legs on flies. here is an article I found from 2002 about the Coffee Bean Fly.I find it interesting that it has been around for almost 7 years, and this is the first issue that I have heard of with it. Looks like Mr. Guldin has fished it and has been successful with it in other areas. Unfortunately though it is illegal for us to fish the fly for fall creek up. Grab a cup of coffee and learn how to tie this unique fly. Also By John Guldin • A Fly Fishing Certainty: No Exceptions -Want to be on the winning side of a 100% sure thing? Try this! • More About The Author -From cryptographer to lawyer but always a fly fisher. Related Resources • More Fly Patterns It was very early on a June morning when I carefully eased into a familiar limestone stream armed with a special fly that I was given by a special angler. Ray Deibert began fly fishing in the early 20th century when almost all fly fishing was with 3-5 wet flies being cast "across and down." He built several rods for me, taught me much about fly tying and showed me quite a few effective patterns. One of the best patterns he ever taught me was now knotted to my leader as I stripped out some line making ready to cast. I had waded this stretch of stream many times since the opening day of trout season and each time the fish became harder to fool. Now, in late June, the water was warmer and the trout seemed much more lethargic and selective. Nonetheless, I was about to cast Ray's creation and I was buoyed with anticipation. I false casted two or three times before directing the fly to a spot a little upstream from an overhanging bush. The current caught the fly and it drifted to a shaded spot. I saw its eye. I remember just the eye of the trout as it came up from the depths and raced towards the fly. The eye was filled with a fury that I hadn't seen before in a small-stream trout. Could it be this pattern triggered such an aggressive response? I landed the 15" brown trout, removed the fly and sent him on his way. Many times since that day, I have seen trout, for whatever reason, react with reckless abandon when this special fly is on their home turf. The special fly is a unique and innovative imitation of the Japanese Beetle. There are many patterns for the Japanese Beetle, but I believe my now deceased friend, Ray Deibert, hit on the best. The Japanese Beetle [Class: Insecta; Order: Coleoptera; Family: Scarabaeidae; Genus: Popilla; Species: japonica] is native to Japan and was first identified in southern New Jersey around 1916. One theory is that the beetles were unwanted stowaways on a ship carrying agricultural products that originated in the Far East. The beetle soon spread throughout the eastern United States and, today, its range is growing larger as it expands within the U.S. and Canada, being first discovered in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, in 1939. While it eats as many as 300 different species of plants, flowers and vegetables, it also is eaten with great gusto by trout. For fly fishers, the Japanese Beetle infestation is an example of "Every Cloud Has a Silver Lining." Fly tiers have concocted many patterns to imitate the Japanese Beetle. Some employ deer or elk hair or various synthetics. One tier I know uses just a small piece of black Styrofoam cemented to a hook based upon his belief that the basic oval silhouette the trout sees from beneath is the most important factor. I have tried three or four different Japanese Beetle patterns but once I learned about Ray's method of tying the beetle, I felt it was the best. The real key to the pattern is the use of a coffee bean. This is because a coffee bean is not only the approximate size and shape of a Japanese Beetle, but it also makes a realistic "plop" sound when landing on the water, just as the natural does. I believe this is a definite "trigger" to a trout's natural predatory instincts. The coffee bean version of the Japanese Beetle is relatively simply to tie, but it does take time due to the numerous steps and the drying periods between them. That is why I suggest tying five or six at a time so that while some are in a drying or curing stage you can be preparing the others. Materials: Coffee Beans: Will any coffee bean that approximates the size of the Japanese Beetle work? No. Believe it or not, the lighter-colored Mocha/Java bean is a much better bean than the darker-colored Expresso, Tico or Viennese Roast. This is because the more a bean is roasted the more brittle it becomes. A rule of thumb is that the lighter the color of the bean, the less roasting it has undergone and the better it will work for this pattern. From your pile of light-colored coffee beans, select ones of appropriate size and that have a centered and fairly straight groove or fissure in the bottom of the bean. Hook: The selection of a hook is related to the size of the bean, which is related to the size of the natural beetle. I use light wire hooks that were designed for dry flies. Two hooks that have worked well for me are the Tiemco 100 or the Mustad 94940. Hooks in sizes #12 to #14 are generally the sizes that will fit a coffee bean. Thread: You can use black 3/0, 6/0 or just about any size black thread you have on your bobbin. The only purpose of the thread in this pattern is to provide a stable platform for the cementing of the bean. Legs: Peacock Herl Paints: Testor's Copper Gloss Enamel Paint and Model Master British Green Metallic Paint. You can substitute any quality hobby paint. You will also need a small watercolor-type paintbrush. Glue: Zap Gel, Epoxy or any other similar glue. I prefer Zap Gel because it is thick enough to stay in place and sets up within seconds. Tying Instructions: Step 1: Select a coffee bean according to the criteria set forth above keeping in mind that the male species is approximately 1/2" long [10mm] and 1/4" wide [6mm]. The females are slightly larger. Step 2: With a small file, pocketknife or your fingernail, clean out and enlarge the groove in the bottom of the coffee bean to make it as straight and as smooth as possible. Step 3: Select a dry fly hook to fit the coffee bean. The eye of the hook should extend past the front end of the bean and the bend of the hook should extend past the rear. In other words, the bean should set only on the shank portion of the hook. Step 4: Place the hook into your vise and wrap the shank with black thread so that it will fit into the groove. This may take several attempts of wrapping and placing the bean into position and then adding another layer of thread. When the groove fits snugly onto the hook, you have the proper fit. Step 5: Place a small amount of Zap Gel into the groove of the coffee bean and set it onto the prepared hook. Hold it securely until the glue sets. Then place it on a drying wheel or, as I use, a block of Styrofoam until the Zap Gel thoroughly cures. While you are waiting you can repeat Steps 1 to 5 on several other beans. When all coffee beans are firmly cemented, go onto the next step. Step 6: Grip the bend of the hook with a forceps and paint the "back" of the coffee bean with the Testor's Copper Gloss Enamel paint and set aside to dry. Repeat with each bean. Step 7: Next, paint the bottom of the bean, including the hook shank and thread, with Model Master British Green Metallic paint and let it dry. The natural insect is described by most entomologists as having a metallic green abdomen. However, if you cannot find a metallic green paint, don't worry. I used Testor's Black Flat Enamel Paint for years with great fishing success. Step 8: You are now ready to affix the legs. Japanese Beetles have six legs and many patterns call for the placement of all of them. Although I am by no means an entomologist, I have conducted a layman's study of the Japanese Beetle's actions while in the water. I have placed some "specimens" in our swimming pool where I observed them from underwater. My observations were that upon hitting the water the Japanese Beetle tucks in the four forward legs, but keeps the rear two extended to act, I believe, as rudders. Thus, the two rear trailing legs are an important part of the silhouette. Fishing tests using flies with six legs and with two legs support my belief that only the rear pair of legs, which are longer and somewhat thicker than the other four, are the only ones necessary for the pattern. Using two legs makes tying easier too All that being said, take two pieces of peacock herl and cut them one inch long. .They will be trimmed later but for now the longer sections are easier to work with. The legs should be glued on the bottom of the bean on each side of the hook shank in a trailing "V" shape. If you are able to find a natural beetle, duplicate the angle of the rear legs. Otherwise, the angle between the legs should be between 40 and 45 degrees. When the glue is dry, trim the legs to approximately 5/16" to 3/8". Step 9: Options a. The most popular option is to place a small dot of fluorescent orange, chartreuse or hot pink paint on the back of the fly to increase visibility. 9b. Some tiers paint small white dots around the bottom edge of the bean along with black "wing" lines to duplicate more closely the markings on a natural Japanese Beetle, which has white tufts along sides and rear of the abdomen. This may have some benefit but I have never taken the time to add this extra step. When the Japanese Beetles appear in your area this summer, head to the stream with your newly created imitations. By the time you fish the Japanese Beetle, usually June is the earliest they appear in any numbers, you should be familiar with the haunts of the remaining trout. Go to those spots that have bushes and trees close to the stream. I have most of my success fishing around and under trees and bushes that overhang the stream. Many Japanese Beetles, which spent the night on the foliage, try to move about or fly off before the sun has warmed them. As a result, some fall into the stream. The best time to fish this fly is early in the morning while it is still cool since Japanese Beetles normally do not begin flying until the temperature reaches close to 70 degrees Fahrenheit (~21C). Use a tippet that is stiff enough to turn over the fly but not so stiff that the fly acts as if it is on the end of a stick. Depending on the weight of your fly a 3x to 5x tippet will work well. Fish upstream. The cast should be slow and deliberate with a big enough loop to allow the fly to "plop" into the water several feet above the suspected lie. Quickly remove any slack from your line and wait for the hit. Trout sip Mayflies, Japanese Beetles they attack with pugnacious aggression! I have found that the majority of strikes come within seconds of the "plop." If there is no response, try several more casts and then move on to the next spot. If a fish is where you think, it will hit the fly within three or four casts. Remember, the best time to fish the Japanese Beetle is in the coolness of the early morning so you only have an hour or two. Therefore, keep casting and moving. A few slashing attacks by trout will convince you that the Japanese Beetle fly is a fly that is "Good to the Last Plop." Images are copyright © 2002 All About Fly Fishing

Well I really dont know what to say except this was probally the best debate ever on this site. I do not think that anyone got mad and started name typing or typing anyone under the bus:D Phil I would have kept debating you until I blue in the face about Natural vs. Non Natural as you could see I kept saying Natrual food source. I will have to agree about the agents since I did say that in a couple of earlier post. Great debate

Thank you all I now am involved with one of the greatest fly fishing organizations. I cant wait to really start getting involved with it. If you have any suggestions on what you would like to see done please let me know. Michael

Sounds like we might need to get some revisions of the rules and reg for the up coming years

I have to agree with rangerman it is up to the guy writing the tickets, and as you I have worked a lot with the agents and do know this how they operate. Like I said I contacted th regional supervisor and he said he would think it would be Illegal. But if they allow you to fish the bean where does it stop, can we use seeds or any dried food substance. Sounds like we might need to get some revisions of the rules and reg for the up coming years

Phil here are the regulations again as stated in the MDC code book for 2009 (24) Flies, lures and baits: The following are authorized for use except where restricted in 3 CSR 10-6.415, 3 CSR 10-6.535, 3 CSR 10- 11.205, 3 CSR 10-12.135 and 3 CSR 10- 12.150. (A) Natural and scented baits—A natural fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other food substances not containing any ingredient to stupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not include flies or artificial lures. Includes dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance designed to attract fish by taste or smell and any fly, lure or bait containing or used with such substances. ( Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures. B Artificial lure—A lure constructed of any material excluding soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or ( above. (D) Fly—An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or ( above, that is tied, glued or otherwise permanently attached. I am not sure what you would find in craft shop that would be Natural most everything that I can think of is man made in arts and crafts shops except for in the candy isle. Yes the feathers would fall under natural not man made, but they are what a traditional fly is constructed of and have been used since the 1400's if you want to start studying history of fly fishing. We can create another thread for that I guess what you are saying is since the Coffee cherry is dried to make a bean then it is legal and you know as well as the rest of us that is natural. Can you honestly say that it is not. and it it says right in regulation this"A) Natural and scented baits—A natural fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other food substances not containing any ingredient to stupefy, injure or kill fish. " I believe that paragraph line 1-5 that will cover any food substance be it Marshmallows, Raisins, Peanuts,Corn, Green beans,Bananas,carrots, any dried fruit which I would have to say that would cover the coffee cherry which is turned into a bean. If you were to look up food substances I would reckon that all of the above would come up plus a whole lot more. I do not wish to have to argue my case in front of a judge I talked with my attorney last night that I keep on retainer for the business and he said he would charge me double if he had to go fight for this one. Maybe you and the Taney county judge have a personal relationship that he would feel the need to laugh the MDC out of the court room.

Yes Danno I would have to agree they are poorly written for this day in age. It does however say no natural baits IMO I feel the coffee bean falls under that, so does a marshmello. We all know those are illegal from fall creek up. They are not written in the regs that I can find. So where would a coffe bean fall. I might be wrong though I am thinking and writing this while I cook dinner for the family I like raisin too:)

Hum Corn does not smell, i used to live on a 30,000 acre ranch and we had corn believe me there is a smell go to any silo when they are drying Corn and see what it smells like. Corn will float really anything that can break the surface tension of water will float.I can assure you i can put enough corn on a hook to float. Plus where are you buying unscented Dry coffee beans? The reason I compared to corn was to make the comparison of plants. So I would assume with the ability of a coffee bean to be legal then would a raisin be legal. because a coffee bean starts out off a tree as a coffee cherry then it is dried and thus the bean is born. A raisin is produced by taking a grape and drying it. Just a thought

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