Thanks for the info i just started baiting a hole last week with corn and they are showing up to feed.. i had about an hour a couple nights ago to kill so went down there to try and catch a few so i baited the hole threw my line out and bam my rod bent over reeled the fish in it was a channel cat about 2 lbs. any other time it would of been cool but trying for carp....lol So i got frustrated and went home and have baited a couple times since then but haven't been back to fish. I'll let you know how my next round goes.