i did try by Riverside Inn, I went to the bridge and was getting bites directly under the bridge (but there's no trespassing signs over there, so it wasn't me, it was a guy I know) I also saw that clearing over there off the left side of the Inn. Pretty spot, still no joy though. On plastics, are you throwing a 4inch out there? That seems too big to me. I don't mind catching pan fish, I'd like something in a pan. I'm thinking of going back to live worms for there