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You have a point, but when it is discussed without personal attacks and what not, why can't we have a little political satire?

I know that is going to be REALLY tough. My dad and I have been close my whole life and he is 60 now, so I figure at best I have another 25 years or so. I don't know how I will handle it to be honest.

We talk some politics around the campfire and when it is harmless banter, it doesn't matter. This thread has been really lighthearted for the most part and the problems arise when things get personal and one member starts attacking another.

Okay, I was under the assumption that you all floated down to LK, not from LK down...ignore me.

Al, thank you!

So, about three hours ago, OAF quit loading for me with a DNS error. I told my wife in not so lovely terms that the site wasn't loading, but that I could access every other site I normally visit. She, after having surgery and being absolutely miserable right now, worked some Microsoft magic and bypassed our ISP's server and voila, the site loads again and I am happy. Ain't it great to have a techy living in the same house with you?

Correct me if I am wrong here, but Prater is upstream of LK...no?

Wrong. You are a guest of the public, and as such, have just as much right to wade and float the stream in question as the landowner. .

TC, we could all start with the Madison County Sheriff and continue making calls as the alleged incidents continue to happen throughout the state. We can call him here: David R. Lewis 573-783-2234

If the parties have their way, we will not get anywhere...they want a stalemate in Washington.

Hell, you're probably right Cricket...I am a bit touchy this morning anyway...

Race card? Are you kidding? I was making a lighthearted jab at myself, using an old stereotype.

Law, or what the landowners believe to be law? I, too, would love to see these TC. Yep.

Hey, maybe we can work out a day on one of your streams this summer...I like the Little Niangua

Who implied that we had a right to the land around the creek? Define around the creek. Are you saying we have no right to be on gravel bars, portaging around downed trees or walking the immediate bank, below the high water line?

That is a hell of a nice brownie the dawg caught! Cricket, what did you think of Shoal?

I don't play anything...too caucasian with absolutely NO rhythm.

Want my opinion on politics, ask me over a beer and a campfire after a day of catching beautiful, native fish. My opinion on the oil issue is why are we still using oil at an atmospheric rate? We have the technology to make the same power, with more easily renewable fuel sources, but there is too much money in it for the government to allow it to happen.

I hope to be present on that float in October!

JD, as usual, your "conservative" landowner speech lacks vision of anything other than your opinion. You fail to see that you may pay taxes on the land you own, but the people of Missouri pay taxes on the water and the fish, and as such, you cannot legally forbid someone from fishing that creek unless it is wholly encompassed in your land. I, and obviously others, do not care that you pay taxes on the land you own. Let us fish and enjoy something all residents of Missouri pay for.

I don't know. I guess people just need to leave others the heck alone and let folks go on about their business.

Don't call me out on this you criminal! I will go sign now however. I just got home and cleaned up from work if that tells you where I spent my time today. Really, what was the warrant for?

Oh Jesus. I see what I missed was not just the fishing and camaraderie, but the chance to see a landowner make an butt of himself. Access laws are a cluster at best, and the way around it is to ask permission. This is not always feasible, nor is it necessary on a Pub-non-nav, but the uneducated and ignorant among us don't quite comprehend that. They think that just because their property line says their land ends here, they have the right to keep people off "their" stream. That is not the case in Missouri (Kansas is another story for another time), and until the state makes this known. One way the state could do this is to send letters detailing the findings of the Elder case as it pertains to flowing water and floaters/fisherman to all landowners who own land that butts up to, or land that contains a stretch of PNN water. I think this simple act could curtail a lot of these situations. These letters could be included in the property tax declaration forms you receive every year. They could send them every year, or every other year and see if the complaints decline.

Not quite what I expected from you Cricket...Cage the Elephant is one of my current favorites.

For me, I like alternative rock, as the songs often make you think about what they were on or thinking about when they wrote the song. Lately, it has been My Chemical Romance.