Rusty Brown Thread

[Don]

I treid the search option on this topic because I somewhat remember discusssion on the same topic long ago. Funny thing was that it gave me every topic Rusty has ever posted or replied to .

Here's what's happening. I'm tying the ugly midge and the greenie meanie with olive and chartreuse bead heads instead of the black ones that I usually use. I refer to rusty brown thread as the collar. Traditionally I have used UTC 140 waxed rusty brown for my rusty midges and collared for my ugly midges. However, I found UNI thread rusty brown in my thread supply that looks more like burnt orange. Any preferences between the two out there?

Thanks.....Don May

[Jeremy Hunt]

On what exactly, the pattern or the difference between the two?

[flyfshn]

Don, I prefer Uni thread and it seems to work well (catching fish!).

[Jeremy Hunt]

I would agree as far at it comes to thread body midges. With saying that I always use UTC for thread body midges, but they don't make the rust brown in the right color I would prefer. The reason why I like it better is because it is a floss thread and lays flat against the hook shank. Just makes the fly turn out better, plus if you epoxy the body it stands out better then Uni.

[mAngler]

Don,

I agree with Jeremy, the flat threads (UTC, Danville Flymaster, etc.) are best for building thread bodies. Using a flat thread, makes it easier to get an even/level body.

Using UTC 140 seems to be a bit of overkill on midges. Is there some reason you use UTC 140 instead of UTC 70?

Jeremy,

Do you not like the color of the UTC 70 'Burnt Orange' thread? It looks like a dead ringer for the UNI 'Rusty Brown' thread to me, but maybe you're pickier than me .

mAngler

[flyfshn]

Jeremy, what type of epoxy do you use?? Never heard of doing that, but it makes since.....they would hold up better

[Terry Beeson]

... I'm tying the ugly midge and the greenie meanie...

Are you looking in the mirror for a pattern to go by?

UNI is a good midge thread, but I'm wanting to try some silk thread to tie up some. I got a spool at JoAnn's sewing shop, but want to get some Pearsalls silk thread designed for fly tying.

I've used Sally Hansen Hard As Nails for head cement and midge covering and have no complaints. Just double coat the midges to get the best coverage... Plus, you get all kinds of weird looks when you shop for it at WalMart...

(In my best Arkansas Hillbilly accent - ) "'scuse me ma'am, but dew yew thank this heer color gows guud with mah overalls and brogans? Mah wife thanks I need to tone down a bit and ware more earth tones..."

[Jeremy Hunt]

Don,

I agree with Jeremy, the flat threads (UTC, Danville Flymaster, etc.) are best for building thread bodies. Using a flat thread, makes it easier to get an even/level body.

Using UTC 140 seems to be a bit of overkill on midges. Is there some reason you use UTC 140 instead of UTC 70?

Jeremy,

Do you not like the color of the UTC 70 'Burnt Orange' thread? It looks like a dead ringer for the UNI 'Rusty Brown' thread to me, but maybe you're pickier than me .

mAngler

I do, but the fish don't. The color is a little off from the uni and it really makes all the difference in the world on more hook ups. I know that seems strange, but I listen to what the fish are telling me. I've use both on trial and error for a number of years and they would prefer the uni in this particular color.

[mAngler]

I do, but the fish don't. The color is a little off from the uni and it really makes all the difference in the world on more hook ups. I know that seems strange, but I listen to what the fish are telling me. I've use both on trial and error for a number of years and they would prefer the uni in this particular color.

I hear what you're saying. I feel the same way about the UNI "Olive" thread (which is really not olive, but forrest green) versus the UTC Olive (which is a true olive). For midges, fish like UNI Olive the best.

mAngler

[Don]

Don,

I agree with Jeremy, the flat threads (UTC, Danville Flymaster, etc.) are best for building thread bodies. Using a flat thread, makes it easier to get an even/level body.

Using UTC 140 seems to be a bit of overkill on midges. Is there some reason you use UTC 140 instead of UTC 70?

mAngler

Thanks for the feedback guys,

I'll stick with the UTC rusty. I just happened to have 140 in the box and have not purchased any 70. This thread is just for a few wraps for the collar. The thread body of these particular flies is made from UNI-Stretch in Light Olive. Now that stuff really stretches out flat for a midge thread body. As for those who don't have it, it's almost yellow, but it results in the desired shade of green once coated with Sally Hansons. I coat many of my zebra midges with the stuff as long as I do not mind the shade of color change that results from the application.

Yeah Terry, I know the look on the cashiers face when you buy Sally Hansens. It looks just like the look on the lady's face at the Republic Wal Marts when I asked her where the big grannie panties were so I could by them for a Christmas party gag gift. I hope she believed me

Don May