BlueWave Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 It looks like folks around the Lake really got hammered. Hope you all made out OK. Are there any reports of major dock damage with all the ice? I am going to try to get down this weekend when electric is back. Hope I still have dock and boat floating! Good Luck.
Members LarryC Posted January 30, 2009 Members Posted January 30, 2009 I would suspect the only way a dock would have damage is if a tree fell on it. I haven't heard one report of any dock damage. Doubt many places will have power around the lake this weekend...maybe week after. We are running on generator right now. Tree limbs were really falling this afternoon when the sun came out. Making Beaver Lake safe for all the little fish...one striper at a time.
BlueWave Posted January 30, 2009 Author Posted January 30, 2009 Larry, Thanks for the report. You folks be careful. Good Luck.
jay bird Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Talked to some guys today that looked at some docks on table rock and the big problem is the weight of the ice sinking the docks.
Goggle-Eyed Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 If a dock is properly designed for the snow load (or ice) it should go down "level" under the load. The issue comes in if the dock has old "white" foam that has lost bouancy or has been underfloated , this usually happens on a dock that originally had white foam and has been upgraded to encapsulated foam, for some reason a lot of refoamers short cut on the refoam. When the dock goes down un-even it will cause the roof to lean and collapse in one direction or the other. I have seen them split down the middle and fall both ways also. When the ice storm hit at lake of the ozarks a couple of years ago we had 4" of Ice with 12 to 18" of snow. There were millions of dollars in docks that collapsed but most of them all had white foam under them. One of the other problems is that most of the docks on T-rock or other lakes down there is that they are not built as "heavy" as a lake of the ozarks dock. Therefore they are prone to collapse much quicker. A dock with "in-line" slips is more prone to "lean" and and collapse under the weight, where as a dock with slips down both sides of a "main walk" will typically be more stable. One thing that we recommend is pulling all concrete decking off of the fingers so the ends of the fingers are better supported by the flotation. Obviously, On docks with wood deck this is not an option. Docks don't collapse often but when there is an unusual snow or ice event you have to prepare for it by getting as much weight off the dock ends as possible. We also have crews that go out and remove the snow from the roofs. I have seen people place 55 gallon drums on the dock and build a fire to help "heat" the roof from underneath. I don't recommend this or know if it is helpful. Hope this helps understand how it can and does happen. By the way, my company does have commercial docks around the country and we did not have any go down during this ice and snow event!!! We did have some go down at lake of the Ozarks but they were all "old" docks with White Foam and we encouraged the owners to replace the foam 5 years before the collapse!!! We did have docks go down to the point the "steel" was in the water but they just floated back up after the snow was removed or melted (very little to no damage) Sorry for the last bit but, hey, I am the director of sales for the company. Goggle-Eyed
BlueWave Posted January 31, 2009 Author Posted January 31, 2009 Thanks for info G-eye. My dock is fairly new with good encapsulated flotation. I wont be there for another week. I know there are a lot of folks struggling down there. Must have some problems with the towers as i cant raise anyone on the phone. Take care.
Members LarryC Posted January 31, 2009 Members Posted January 31, 2009 All the towers lost AC. They have battery back up but once that is exhausted there dead in the water unless they have a generator. Yesterday the news media got realistic and said some areas may not have power back for a couple of weeks. Gotta go...time to put more gas in my generator. Making Beaver Lake safe for all the little fish...one striper at a time.
jay bird Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Blue Wave, I have a buddy that has been looking at houses around the lake and I think he is going back today. He is looking around the lost bridge areas, but may make his way around to other parts of the lake. Where is your dock? He may be able to tell you if it is OK. He did call Lost Bridge South Marine the other day and the guy said they had a mess and to call back in a couple of weeks. Not sure if he ment the Dock or everything else that is going on.
jay bird Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Talked to the guy that went looking at the docks down on TR and he described exactly what you are talking about. The dock that looked the worse he said was CP in Shell Knob, and is was going down uneven. If a dock is properly designed for the snow load (or ice) it should go down "level" under the load. The issue comes in if the dock has old "white" foam that has lost bouancy or has been underfloated , this usually happens on a dock that originally had white foam and has been upgraded to encapsulated foam, for some reason a lot of refoamers short cut on the refoam. When the dock goes down un-even it will cause the roof to lean and collapse in one direction or the other. I have seen them split down the middle and fall both ways also. When the ice storm hit at lake of the ozarks a couple of years ago we had 4" of Ice with 12 to 18" of snow. There were millions of dollars in docks that collapsed but most of them all had white foam under them. One of the other problems is that most of the docks on T-rock or other lakes down there is that they are not built as "heavy" as a lake of the ozarks dock. Therefore they are prone to collapse much quicker. A dock with "in-line" slips is more prone to "lean" and and collapse under the weight, where as a dock with slips down both sides of a "main walk" will typically be more stable. One thing that we recommend is pulling all concrete decking off of the fingers so the ends of the fingers are better supported by the flotation. Obviously, On docks with wood deck this is not an option. Docks don't collapse often but when there is an unusual snow or ice event you have to prepare for it by getting as much weight off the dock ends as possible. We also have crews that go out and remove the snow from the roofs. I have seen people place 55 gallon drums on the dock and build a fire to help "heat" the roof from underneath. I don't recommend this or know if it is helpful. Hope this helps understand how it can and does happen. By the way, my company does have commercial docks around the country and we did not have any go down during this ice and snow event!!! We did have some go down at lake of the Ozarks but they were all "old" docks with White Foam and we encouraged the owners to replace the foam 5 years before the collapse!!! We did have docks go down to the point the "steel" was in the water but they just floated back up after the snow was removed or melted (very little to no damage) Sorry for the last bit but, hey, I am the director of sales for the company. Goggle-Eyed
BlueWave Posted February 1, 2009 Author Posted February 1, 2009 Blue Wave, I have a buddy that has been looking at houses around the lake and I think he is going back today. He is looking around the lost bridge areas, but may make his way around to other parts of the lake. Where is your dock? He may be able to tell you if it is OK. He did call Lost Bridge South Marine the other day and the guy said they had a mess and to call back in a couple of weeks. Not sure if he ment the Dock or everything else that is going on. Thanks for the offer Jay but I had a friend call to say my dock was OK. Just a lot of tree damage and probably some busted pipes in the house.
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