polock Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 my buddy just got stationed at ramstein air force base in germany.. he is a big fishin guy like me and everyone on here, and he was wanting me to find out if there is any places to fish around there.. would have to be wade fishing or bank fishing. thought some of the military guys or travelers might know some spots i could pass on to him.
Terry Beeson Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 Though I've never been there, very little research would reveal that Germany and the surrounding countries are well known for some of the finest hunting and fishing in the world. I'm not sure about hunting there anymore, but fishing Bavaria and areas in southern Germany would still be very popular. Of course, I lean very much toward fly fishing and that is probably the primary choice of tackle in that part of the world. Tell him to visit the Bavarian Hunting and Fishing Museum in Munich. If I ever get over there, that is one stop on my list for sure. TIGHT LINES, YA'LL "There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process." - Paul O’Neil
SilverMallard Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 There should be a rod and gun club on base. He can find it through the base outdoor rec office. They generally offer the classes necessary for licensing in Germany at least once per year. The classes for a fishing license in Germany take about a year to complete. Hunting licenses take about 2 years. Neither is cheap. Fishing and hunting in Germany is VERY complicated compared to here. You have to apply for permits for each outing. Sometimes you get them, and sometimes you don't. And you must have the licenses to apply for the permits. The local forester and stream master are GODS. If they don't like you, you won't fish or float their stream or hunt or camp in their forest. If you want to build a fire, you need a specific permit for that in addition to a camping permit, floating permit, fishing permit, etc. So he needs to plug in to the R&G club on base and get mentored through the process. SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
taxidermist Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 Ok to short cut everything, skip the rod and gun clubs, they don't want G.I's fishing!! I spent five years in Bavaria, the first year was crap because of the Rod and Gun club crap. I found I could go down to the Rathaus near where I lived "Erlangen" with two passport type photos and go to the license office. I signed the application and paid 10DM for the state license. Really simple and no big deal. Next go to the fishing tackle stores almost all of those sell daily permits for local waters, ask for the angle cart papers. This is normally given to the person and it list the waters that shop sells permits for. The permit may be for a stream river or pond, if its stream there will be only a certain length of that water maybe just 2km. or one side of the pond or lake. Also a gausthaus near the waters may sell the permits!!! He may find that certain clubs will not sell to Americans!! Other clubs have no restrictions, I fished the Rine-Mein-Danoue canal for 125DM per year and they issue a card with the dates for you to fill in when you fish. A tackle shop in Bamberg sell a permit good for a 17km length of the upper Mein River (Bavaria) we caught a lot of big Northern Pike from it!! Barsch(Yellow Perch) and Zander (walleye) He should be able to get topo maps from his command, he can take this into the tackle shops and ask about angle carts. If he will learn German he will have better luck!! I lived near Forcheim I had the canal, a river and a stream, the stream had Brown trout, rainbows and Grayling!!! Bach Forelle, Reganbogen forelle and ashen. The river had pike, yellow perch and walleye. We spouse and my fishing buddies fished in the Alps and all over southern Germany. I do have a friend that fly fishes in the Black Forest area. One additional thing is some land owners also own the fishing rights to the waters. Some will trade fishng for a friend and a bottle of American Jack Daniels. I traded two bottles for a year on an awesome grayling stream. The grayling grow big there, little pressure and I have caught 5# grayling, talk about fight!!!! Thats about it except for lures. John
Terry Beeson Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 One additional thing is some land owners also own the fishing rights to the waters. Some will trade fishng for a friend and a bottle of American Jack Daniels. I traded two bottles for a year on an awesome grayling stream. Wonder what you could get for some GOOD whiskey?... Hey, John... Did you witness or get to do any "Czech nymphing" while over there? "Fly fishing the Black Forest"... Now THAT sounds like a trip of a lifetime... TIGHT LINES, YA'LL "There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process." - Paul O’Neil
taxidermist Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 Nope no Czech Nymphing, I stayed away form those houses of illllrepute!!! Did almost get to see time over roping a Russian General and dragging him across the border to Germany. Heck we had been told we would get 30days leave in the states free!! Yep, we almost did, like ten years for an International incident!!!!
SilverMallard Posted February 6, 2007 Posted February 6, 2007 If you had not completed the mandatory training for anglers licenses in Germany when you bought that license, you and the vendor broke the law...and the Status of Forces Agreement...a treaty between the US and Germany. The rod and gun clubs are EXCELLENT on the US bases there. But you can shortcut the law if you are termed that way. If you make an attempt to learn German and abide by their culture, the rod and gun clubs can take you pretty far. A good friend of mine became one of 5 Americans ever to achieve the coveted title of Jaegermeister via the base rod and gun club. He did it via respect, excellent sporting knowledge and skills, and a good command of the German language. It is worth mentioning that there are also a lot of bars, restaurants, hotels, and other types of businesses in Germany who will not allow Americans either...esp. American military personnel. This is NOT a political statement! This is the result of BAD BEHAVIOR over the decades since WW2 by American military personnel. BTW...there are some tourist exemptions/exceptions to the standards being discussed herein. These are the rules for Germans and other residents of Germany, including US military personnel stationed there. SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
taxidermist Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 Hate to say but many of the status of forcces agreements had been stuck down in 1988 when I arrived. The Rod and Gun club in Bamberg and in Nurmburg were almost none existant. The lady at the Ratthaus was the one who guided me thru getting the license. Now if she had been breaking the SoF, she could have lost her job. After the R&G clubs failed to get anyone licensed to fish or hunt during 1988, the manager is the one who told me where to go and who to see and I followed his instructions. I also had a very good working relationship with the Mayor of Erlangen and guided the Brigade Commander thru public relations in the town. So yes as a member of S-5 I know all toooooo well about the SOF. Hell I even bought permits to cut Christmas trees in the Federal Forest. You should have seen the uneducated people on post when I started selling Christmass trees. The forest manager took me out and showed me the area I could cut trees from. So I knew I was in comlpiance with rules and regs, both USAEUR and German. I was in East Berlin two weeks before the wall came down doing counts on Russian Post. This also lead to taking Russians hunting in Grafenwhier (US Firing ranges) for Boar and Rote Hersch (Red Stag) I later took other to a guide in the Alps to hunt Gamms and Ibex, I was allowed to guide the Russians for fish in Upper Bavaria. The Germans call it upper due to elevation. So yes had I violated the SOF I am sure my bosses would have had me reprimanded or punsihed. I still keep in touch with them. No enlisted ever made Jaegermeister, due to having to work unlike many of the Senior officers. SM maybe before you jump the gun and make accusations, you should know who, what and when you are talking about. Heck maybe the Air Force takes R7G clubs a bit more serious than the Army did. Yes, I did hunt Reabuck too, but hten I had a great landlord who farmed and owned a lot of land, he even owned the Reviere!!! Just so happens a Army General I know still hunts with him.
SilverMallard Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 A brother of mine was stationed at Bamburg about then. That was forward deployment territory. Not quite Ramstein. But I'm not going to argue about this stuff with you. My friend the Jaegermeister is a retired E7 combat engineer who works at Ft. Leonard Wood. So you are mistaken about that as well. SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
Kicknbass Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 Fishing and hunting in Germany is VERY complicated compared to here. You have to apply for permits for each outing. Sometimes you get them, and sometimes you don't. And you must have the licenses to apply for the permits. The local forester and stream master are GODS. If they don't like you, you won't fish or float their stream or hunt or camp in their forest. If you want to build a fire, you need a specific permit for that in addition to a camping permit, floating permit, fishing permit, etc. The penalty for poaching can't be that bad. This kind of regulation would make me a law violator very quickly. " Too many hobbies to work" - "Must work to eat and play"
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