What is wrong with people

[Brian Sloss]

Cripple Caddis,

I have met you and have had a plesant conversation with you on the Spring river and feel you mean well and in person are very nice. That being said, the condescending and, yes, arrogant last paragraph of your response to me is staggering. "You" have a fair handle on the root causes of the problems in the world and American society..." No, you have an opinion, no more valid than mine or anyone else and I dare say you have a slant that can be validated by the right, the far right. But guess what, other opinions can be validated as well. As for, me being a product of a liberal education and therefore can't think for myself. Not exactly what you said, but a good summery of your train of thought I think. Well, I do form my own opinions and they don't adhere to just one dogma or another. I think for myself and am not brainwashed by liberal universities, and the idea that you think I am is insulting.

As far as your right of self defense. I agree that everyone has right to bear arms. But I don't want to be in an office or a mall where everyone is carrying a loaded weapon. Not everyone is stable and responsible and you never know who is going to go on a rampage with said weapon or carelessly miss use it. So yes, there are limits, such as on others private property, which a business is. Do you think the federal building in Oklahoma City is going to let citizens carry loaded weapons in their building. No, it is a public safety issue and the University has the same right. Would you want to be working the register at a convenience store in a bad neighborhood, when people are walking in at all hours packing. It happens enough illegally, I don't want to legalize it for the criminal.

Here is another arrogant statement: "You obviously have no educational background on our Constitution and Bill of Rights to even voice the question"

Who the hell do you think you are. You have no idea who I am or what education I have had! That just pisses me off. Sorry for the language folks, but that is uncalled for. By allowing some one to carry a weapon into a classroom and then if they did something bad with it, that would really be reckless endangerment.

As far as a government being totalitarian because they do have some restrictions about where you can bring a gun. Give me a break. By your line of thinking, the rest of the world is therefore totalitarian. How many gun murders were there in all of Europe and Canada? I'd wager a lot less than say Texas. They probably had fewer murders period. They are not totalitarian regimes. People hunt and own guns in Canada and throughout a lot of Europe. They have the same video games, movies and if you spent time over there at all, the problems are much the same. I'm not for banning guns, but your "old west" attitude is dated and ultimately more dangerous.

As for the liberal feeding frenzy, I saw good old Sean Hannity on Fox asking the same questions they were asking on the other networks and you know as well as I, he will be spinning this and exploiting it as soon as he can. As will Rush and all the others of their political persausion.

I'm sorry to everyone if that came accross as rude, but I feel I was attacked in a very arrogant way and want nothing more than to get back to fishing.

[crappiefisherman]

Hey crippled, you seem to be a very intelligent and well versed person.Poss in the teaching field.I am saying this not in jest, but your statements are overshadowed by your dangerous citizen quote.I am not a well versed or highly educated individual, but I do know , tragedys such as this are caused by none other then the man, satan relationship and no other.I will pray for the victims, the victims familys and the perpitrator and his family.As far as guns go, if he killed those people with a board with a nail in the end of it , they would be just as dead.Amen

[Crippled Caddis]

Brian,

Check your PMs---don't wanta mess up Lilley's board with a pi$$ing match. CC

[bojack]

mr. beeson; your post of sitting in your yard and waving to "neighbors" as they pass is very true. i live in a subdivision of 125 homes and when i'm in the front i wave to passer-bys and say hi to people walking thru the sub. and very seldom get an enthusiastic response. i've had a few over the years stop and ask why i just flipped them off. it seems to me alot of people have negativeism and look for the worse in people. not all just some. in our sub. you don't see very many kids playing out side or anyone riding a bike anymore. everyone stays inside and plays on the computer. like someone else on here said, when we were growing up we would go outside and play until the street light came on. you don't see any more kids playing ball in the corner lot, or playing "hot box". just computer games. most parent don't make time to spend with their kids. when you go fishing, how many kids do you see in the boat with an adult? not very many. most times there are 2,3 or 4 guys in a boat drinking beer and having a good 'ol time~~where are the kids? enough, just thought it was strange you mentioned sitting in your front yard as i was also thinking the same and talking to my wife about it just this week. god bless.

[bojack]

mr sloss; you say you don't want everyone carring a gun in a mall or class room~~who do you think is carring the guns??? not law abiding people, it's the criminals. not the person who has respect for others, and has a meaningful relationship with their family. it's the criminals who carry guns. if i want a gun i've got to go and purchase it and go through the process, not the criminal. they go downtown to the corner lay out some money from who knows where they got it and~~walla~~they have a gun in 2 minutes. most law abiding people don't pack guns but you can but the criminal sure do.

[taxidermist]

I don't pretend to know much. I just made it thru high school but did well in the military as a team player and on many individual mission.

What I do know is this you can never predict what someone will do!! Yo don't know their defensive abilities or offensive abilities.

I do find problem with the fact not one of the students attempted to stop the shooter!! Not a teacher either. Again the its all about me ideals.

So who is at fault? Seems everyone is looking to blame someone. So let us blame the shooter. Plain and simple it is the shooters fault. Could someone like a shrink have been able to tell this idiot was going to do this?

Sigmund Freud could not have told!! Why is that? The shooter would have to have been honest with him. These people are seldom honest about what they are going to do or how they feel.

Yea, I heard the crap about his English prof. saying he had dark writings. But that could have been for a fictional story or even several. The Asian people write a lot of dark ideals. if you don't think so read some of the stories in the web.

But the bottom line is for physco-analist to do their job the patient must be honest.

This we will never know because either he or someone capped the shooter.

No this is not the largest tragedy to ever happen in the USA. The wholesale slaughter of Native Americans by people like Custer is. Sure this is sad but most people will go on. I will not loose any sleep over it. I have seen my share of death and I know each one of us will face it someday someway. I do hope mine is a ways off as I still have fish to catch!!

John

[bojack]

mr sloss; you say you don't want everyone carring a gun in a mall or class room~~who do you think is carring the guns??? not law abiding people, it's the criminals. not the person who has respect for others, and has a meaningful relationship with their family. it's the criminals who carry guns. if i want a gun i've got to go and purchase it and go through the process, not the criminal. they go downtown to the corner lay out some money from who knows where they got it and~~walla~~they have a gun in 2 minutes. most law abiding people don't pack guns but you can but the criminal sure do.

[Brian Sloss]

bojack,

By your last response you seem to imply that a gun in the classroom is ok by pointing out criminals carry guns. Well, a lot of seniors in high school are 18 and therefore of age. Should they be able to carry guns to class? They are of legal age after all. Of course they shouldn't. Remember Columbine and the other school shootings over the last ten years or so.

[Crippled Caddis]

<a lot of seniors in high school are 18 and therefore of age. Should they be able to carry guns to class? They are of legal age after all>

Not deliberately stirring the pot here; just an observation. When you reflect that they can carry guns in combat and use them in the service of their nation, and be killed in the process, that question begins to seem a bit moot.

<Remember Columbine and the other school shootings over the last ten years or so.>

Honest question----anyone know if the Columbine shooters were 18 or older? I don't, but I do know the Jonesboro shooters were quite a bit younger.

[bojack]

no sir mr. sloss; sorry if i gave that impression. went back and re-read my post and i didn't get that impression that guns were ok in the class room. how obsurd!! i'll just leave it at that.