Outsider looking in , Just wanted to add my thanks as well, I know nobody here personally and for the most part I don't fish the area most of you seem to ,This is my first year back to this lake in 25 years plan on being a weekender for many years then who knows . I fished pretty hard this summer, caught very few not enough for a fall fish dinner, read and studdied this forum last month or so went down last weekend with my son and caught a few fish ,from lures other people was using and info that I had gatherd from this forum, Thanks to all that post coments and give info . Happy Thanksgiving and Holidays to all.