Wow, thanks. That's some good info, I really appreciate it. My dad and I are normally pond and river fisherman, so we are used to catching fish, but last year I joined a bass club and fished my first tournament ever, it was at stockton. As a non boater I am at the mercy of my partner, I decided this year to come to stockton with my dad and see what it was like to have a little more control over my fishing day. There is nothing better than fishing a new lake with my dad and trying to "figure them out" whatever that really means! Thanks for all the input, goodness knows I need it!