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HeWhoSleepsSolo: i think you're looking for the thread three doors down on the far left. The one with the lights on, but nobodies home, help yourself. ty

checking out Stick Fins was part of my research for the possible home aquaponics project. They have a price list for washed/scrubbed/chilled/etc-i would think this treatment would make them "Live" enough to eat, but they, as all should be, are very sensitive with state by state allowances for such, and as ive only been into the info gathering- I, nor anyone i know have actually imported, or attempted to import, anything like this, so im not sure on the particulars of how.

For those who just dropped in, see Giant Crawdads thread for a little background. ty

It would be to our advantage to acknowledge that the Australian Blue Lobster and Red Claw are not the same creature as our native crawfish, of any variety. It is possible to save and preserve our native crawfish, AND benefit from an independent source of ready Lobster grill. UNLIKE our own crawfish, the Blue Marron and Red Claw require manual climate/habitat control. Missouri is too cold, the Blue and Red lacking the most basic survival adaptations, cant burrow, hibernate,or even blend in with their surroundings. around 55 degrees ( yes, thats also water temp ) all normal functions stop-and they begin to die- without intervention, every scavenger would have them long before then. At any life stage. The younger the specimen, the more delicate (eggs/young would die on the tail).THAT said, think : Fresh lobster at will. independent of what we can scrape together for an imported batch for that boil/after game party. Native Crawfish blissfully unaware and free to reproduce and get bigger for those of us who enjoy the sport of crawfishing. Happy Fishing

i am not in affiliation with any anti agriculture movement, nor against supporting and maintaining our natural Missouri. No Politics, just home grown in my own yard or building.

Whoa. Magnificent. Look at those graceful pincers. See.. i could look at that in.. where ever it came from .. XD, and not ask him if he had any brothers and sisters as big as he was. Then i would be late getting home cause i couldn't leave until i had an answer to that.. then i would want to know why.. i dont get much done at home.. XD

meh, not the prawn. Crawfish and I have a history besides, Lobster rocks.

To clarify- All groups described above would have all the normal precautions set up to prevent actual escape outside the confinement area. The Australians cant burrow, but provide a below ground barrier(in conjunction to any other approved system) cant hurt.

Hi Guy. Great subject. ty. Im actually more interested in the biology of the Blue Marron and Red Claw at this time, than actually raising some atm, Because of that very reason. Since they are already here in the US, available, and have garnered some interest over the past 10 yrs or so - I say the more learned the better. I think one of the reasons we haven't seen any live individuals is for the very reasons that actually make them such a great candidate for small home projects. Ive grown up with crawfish all my life. Ive seen my favorite creeks in the Bay Area (sf CA) go from magical (kids viewpoint lol) to paved with the developement of the BART monorail system and human commercial interest. I have seen a LOT of wildlife destroyed by greed and carelessness. I am also not a fan of seeing the rogue emu, hog, or even goldfish where they dont belong. ive seen first hand what happens when the invertebrate balance is thrown off. I personally, do not own anything of this nature, yet- and wont- until i learn more about them. I believe it would be EXTREMELY pro-active to have a few control groups out of "Crawdad Reach" of any body of water- in actual normal native crawdad conditions-and actual farm (very small project scale)involving the normal husbandry practices that an individual may use. use US specimens only. test them. Take Loooooots of notes, and post them in environmental stuff, the Missouri Conservationist etc. If they dont work, no harm done, and we can head off anything that may show up in the wild affecting our native 'dads. ty

AND i like moonshine, too, Chief.. but that would be a different thread..

lol Chief. May i direct you to my intro -np.. that will give you a hello. Now look at my interests, its just a few, but im limited on space.. Best place to start would be what caught my immediate atten while surfing on info about the Australian Marron and Red Claw, as a potential for a really cool aquaponics (you will learn more as you read the Giant Crawdad thread, and also includes why i STARTED this one. ty

Chief. Somehow, not quite sure how- you've come up with a poor conclusion if what a few of us have been trying to say here. Pretend you are in a conversation involving an actually topic that you have not been really paying attn to. Start your own thread. We all be there with bells on, im sure...

Hi wayne. If an exemption is made for the Australian Lobsters on condition that they require climate management to survive.. We can all have happy native dads living unmolested, and our delicious lobster on the side. Ive been to a few farm demonstrations - you know, tour and BBQ promoting this and that-- i would so go for that and everyone would be able to keep up with the latest findings. ty

ah. no. Sorry Australia. I would never through a bucket of Missouri dads on you. ty

hi old plug. A great point. Mammals. they all have a "leg up" that a crawfish would never have. Our native craws have the weather beat by certain adaptations. Throw a handful, or bucketful, whatever, of Missouri craws anywhere you want in Marron or Red Claw territory without any help. ..

Good Morning, all- Just reminding folks that the the Blue Marron/Red Claw freshwater Lobster discussion contin. with the Stop Unilateral Bans thread. The Unilateral part just means "across the board" ban, on the native Crawfish issue.. another way of saying "Broad Pen" action. Guys. Knowledge is power. its what happens when there isn't enough info out there to take a more informed action...The original poster of this thread , gave what information he had that may have been available in 2008,most of it second or third person anecdotal -not even American. Would it be to our advantage to acknowledge that our Native Missouri Crawfish are different than the Australian Blue Lobster, or the Red Claw? It is possible to save and preserve our native crawfish, AND benefit from the above Australian breeds, that require manual climate control (we are not Florida, or Australia, we are just too darn cold)they would just stop growing then die. ty

hmm. ok- if i went native dads, then a unilateral ban against raising, or even moving a crawdad anywhere in missouri, would still be a problem. Even more so now, because a native crawdad in one spot, really Could be a potential competitor in another spot., if it was to escape. All native breeds are on the same playing field - the Australian breeds are a total shut out, without artificial climate control, they stop growing, dont reproduce, then they die. If i have to fight for a few dozen dads, really the Red Claw, or Blue Marron would be the better product, and with fewer risks to the natural status quo... It would appear to make sense to use a native, but unless i can find a suitable variety from the nearest creek, it would still be breaking the law to some people.

A trout hatchery/crawdad combo, XD omg what a great idea! like growing monster earthworms under the rabbit hutch. Im not into the money side, so much as the novelty. kind of like a set up a saw- fell in love with it, on paper, anyway- a system where you can grow fish in one barrel-that sends the wastewater(up or sideways) into the next barrel that grows your veggies. Fish get big.. you have a fish fry. Do we have any native crawfish that get as big is the market kind? seems they were always pretty small. In a perfect situation i would LOVE to growout a few freshwater lobsters in that aquaponic system i just described. Bright blue ones. i mean, if you have to look at them everyday, you might as well enjoy them lol have you ever thought of trying your business again?

Bird Watcher.. i not once suggested releasing wild Australian Crawfish into the environment so that i may catch and eat it later. ive demonstrated by even posting here i am not that kind of person. the ONLY reason i posted here is the Giant Crawdad thread. If a ban on all crawfish is necessary for whats good and natural in Missouri, Fine. It has to be done. But if i cant, i want to know that the process that brought us to that point, the decision making process, can stand a reasonable bit of scrutiny by reasonable people. The Whys for a total ban on crawfish as given by the author of the Giant Crawdad thread, demanded a counterpoint, or a why a ban is unnecessary or at least premature regarding the Australian breeds. That is what America is all about. PROBLEM #1 this Australian creature can not survive a single life cycle in Missouri. We are too darn cold, it cant hibernate, burrow for protection, or even grow or reproduce outside climate control. PROBLEM #2 by the time its gills adjust to breathing dry air, should one ever escape, it will not be able to return to the water, it will drown.#3 its bold coloration and behavior leaves it no protection against natural crawfish predators, the Australian breeds cannot compete with natives. NOT SO with the wild boar or carp examples. nobody ever questioned the wild boars ability to live a life cycle, reproduce or breath here. and your examples given are fish and mammals, talking crawfish here. The biggest challenge for anyone attempting to raise these crawfish, would be wintering over, and keeping predators out of the "Lobster House" lol actually, as i described in another spot, an aviary type set up would be more like it. and dont be a jerk.

lol fishnwrench, i think you just paid me a compliment, XD i can go Aspergers all over a subject matter if im into into it enough. See Giant Crawfish thread for what yanked my chain so hard haha if something needs to be done, as in a ban, or to protect whats native and good in Missouri, Than it needs to be done. HOW we come about deciding this is just as important- im pretty much just sharing some additional information on the Red Claw (personally i would rather try the blue marron, its prettier- wouldnt mind growing out a few for the table just to try it). The Whys for the Crawfish ban as proposed by the author of the Giant Crawfish thread, Demanded a Why Not, in reply.If i cant have my crawfish, and eat it too- Fine enough. but i want the reasons, and how those reasons came about, to be able to stand some scrutiny by reasonable people. just an aside, the Australian crawfish cannot survive a single live cycle in missouri. we are just too darn cold, and they cant burrow, or hibernate, and once their gills adjust to dry land, if they should somehow escape, they will drown once they hit water. The biggest challenge to anyone raising this breed will be wintering over, and keeping the predators out of the lobster house(i made that up, actually probably more like an aviary set up, cause they do have some nocturnal land habits, like nibbling grass and bringing it back in the water, *read about it, its there*)ty guys

lol ty Phil

Hi all Tho i am VERY new at posting on this site.. i seem to have hit upon a VERY controversial subject matter involving the very creature ive been researching (Pros/Cons/economic viability with respect for local law and hypotheticals as an invasive escapee)-various breeds and strains of Australian crawfish/freshwater lobster-in particular interest the Red Claw,f(the breed of choice in already established aquaculture in other states)- or the more delicate Blue Marron (Cherax Cainii)-as candidates for small aquaponics or home aquaria. Simple economics and personal self-sustainability "Spawned" *sorry, had to do that* my interest -and the fact i can no longer afford a simple hamburger and french fry meal combo, let alone sample a finer fare. I happened upon a post in the Ozark Anglers (being a fellow ozarkian, seemed like a good place to surf) circa 2008- and i understand a movement is underway to outlaw any use, import, export, raising, owning, etc of any crawfish anywhere in missouri. Too many laws are being passed without public knowledge or input into too many matters, Please. STATE OF MISSOURI no more broad-pen moves that impact ALL MISSOURIANS, regardless of how seemingly small, until further study. I believe we've all had enough of that. ty, gotta go

One of countless examples of why doing ones homework, and working closely with local conservationists is IMPERATIVE. Case by Case considerations with focus on real, provable, facts/impacts of approved content of study (in my case the above Red Claw as stated in my original post, re reading is recommended for clarity of topic, i have to all the time, to stay on task XD), always aware that results of viability of said venture may prove unfavorable for actual implementation. thank you

Just came upon a topic started in 08 i believe, XD in researching the viability of an Aquaponics project before introducing the thought to my local conservation dept. Legitimate concerns were the topic involving the Australian Red Claw (crayfish) as a potential invasive species.. so in sharing what ive learned thus far in deciding the viability of a small home venture- i became a member.. happy fishing