Phil Lilley

Lots more gravel down thru outlet #2, just like Leonard said. Lake isn't very deep and the #2 outflow extends out further. I doubt if #2 attracts the trout it used to. I didn't walk down to rebar but it looks, from the pic from the top of the dam, that there's a new shoot down from the original shoot but it doesn't look very wide. The point looks like it's extended downstream and the Big Hole probably is filled in. If it is, the water will move thru this area alittle faster I'd think. But keep in mind, the water level is lower because of the boards being removed at Powersite Dam. I haven't been out in a boat yet- that's my next move. Babler said it's a different world up there. I bet it is. BUT I know the gravel bars above FC are exposed to the sun right now... same problem we've had in the past with the lake being drawn down. This will kill at least the scuds if they don't run some water today.

Ran up to the dam and took some pics...

Hey DD- you are in Anchorage- right?

Special thanks to Pat, Aaron, Micheal, Rolan, Fred, Harold and John for helping out... and Ken for coordinate the event. All forum members. And of course our staff at the resort, for all the good food and service. And the guys from FFF that came and helped out.

Last evening, Micheal and Bill did a great job talking about fishing Lake Taneycomo. Didn't have very many attend unless you count all the people down the hall in the next banquet room. But we appreciate those who did. Today's Project Healing Waters event went very well. The fish could have cooperated a but better but the weather could not- it was absolutely perfect. I think we took 13 soldiers and several staffers fishing from 10 am till 3 pm. They were more than gracious and forgiving of the slow fishing. We did catch trout though. White jigs worked early, drifting below the dam, but slowed after 11 am. We ran down to Monkey Island and drifted power eggs and caught 10 stocker rainbows. Valery, a staffer, caught her first fish... and then her second. Tim, a veteran from the camp, caught several in a row. We made several good drifts and headed back up for another try at a big rainbow. I think KSPR TV10 in Springfield will have a spot on their evening news tomorrow of the event.

See if that helps.

Is there any good river maps on the internet of the Elk or Big Sugar that you know of?

hi·ber·nate Audio Help /ˈhɪbərˌneɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hi-ber-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used without object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing. 1. Zoology. to spend the winter in close quarters in a dormant condition, as bears and certain other animals. Compare estivate. 2. to withdraw or be in seclusion; retire. 3. to winter in a place with a milder climate: Each winter finds us hibernating in Florida. Leonard- your fly's name doesn't make much sense... unless you're planning on heading to Florida and using it on tarpon- maybe.

James- we'll be praying for Damien. We'll pray he will have such a personal encounter with God that his life will be changed miraculously. Then that God will show Himself faithful in his finances and his relationships.

by Spence Turner ~~ "When you coming down?" Phil Lilley asked. "Browns are running and the Corps of Engineers isn't running much water through Taneycomo or for that matter anyplace in the White River system." Perfect conditions, I thought. We'd talked earlier about getting together Lilleys' Landing Resort for some fall trout fishing when spawning browns move up to the head-end of Lake Taneycomo. Even set a date, which turned out to be my wife's birthday...not just her birthday, but rather her 60th birthday. When she learned of my plans...well it wasn't pretty and I'm still digging out of the hole. Women just don't have sense of humor when it comes to forgetting minor things like birthdays. Needless to say, I rescheduled. I've conducted a 30-year, dark and steamy affair with a bewitching, curvaceous, sultry, lass, who's waters run deep and cold, followed by intensely personal periods of hot, steamy, activity. I've wallowed in those waters. Felt the power and reveled in their deep, stark, beauty; savored the explosive organisms of slashing rainbows and broad-shouldered browns; and agonized over her health as she aged. Her name: Lake Taneycomo, Missouri's first lady of trout fishing. I thought about those years, the thousands of rainbows and browns I'd handled; the fights to change regulations, introduce brown trout in 1980s and a special management zone in the 90s; as I motored south to Branson and Lilleys' Landing. The changes worked: Lake Taneycomo is back with an attitude. And, I retired. Taneycomo anglers have shattered Missouri's brown trout record, and discovered a dead brown, longer than the current world record. The lake has everything needed to grow a new world record: an abundance of food; great living conditions and habitat for brown trout; and regulations allowing browns to grow large. Keep your fingers crossed. Day One I wasn't looking for a record, just a couple days of great trout fishing. The water was off and after a quick check in, I headed for the upper end at Shepherd of the Hills Hatchery. The upper pools are waist-deep at max...bathtubs filled with large cruising browns and rainbows. Anglers lined the second hatchery outlet. Not really needing company, I walked to the third outlet and waded across to the Rerod run and pool, spooking several large trout with my clumsy wading. At the head-end of the riffle, a pod of small rainbows fed on amphipods kicked loose by upstream anglers. I caught two, before wading to the end of the run and rerigging to a large black woolly bugger as light failed. As I finished, the horn at the dam blew, chasing me off the water, as needs for electrical generation took precedence over those of the angler. I waited out the flush of water and resumed fishing as water fell an hour later. Fog tentacles swirled around me as I waded back out to the riffle. A great blue heron joined me fishing the shallows. Tensions of the day and week disappeared in the darkness and fog. Two small rainbows fell to the black woolly bugger in the dark, before a heavy strike jarred my rod. The trout wallowed briefly, shaking its head, then sprinted downstream stripping line from my reel. What a satisfying sound in the darkness. It wasn't large. I quickly worked the trout back, and landed and released a 15-inch brown, none the worse for our brief encounter. It was enough for the first day. Day Two The water was off. Fall leaves floated randomly around Lilleys' Landing dock, and the bluff across the lake was on fire, cloaked in reds, yellows and greens as trees held tightly to a calliope of leaves, heralding the approaching winter. As long as the water was off, Phil suggested fishing the upper end again. We found the parking lot full, most anglers fishing outlet 2. Phil suggested rerigging for some "skinny water" trout fishing...changing leaders from the rope I used in the darkness, to a 9-foot nymph leader, tapering to 7X or 8X. In the shallows, browns and rainbows fed on midges and amphipods, backs and tails out of the water; several large browns tended a newly dug redd in the outlet plume, mostly ignored by float-and-jerk anglers. We both caught trout, rainbows mostly, with a brown trout or two thrown in for good measure; Phil caught and landed 10 trout for everyone I caught. In the afternoon facing rain, we motored up to the "Overlook Hole," and fished drys and small soft hackles to rainbows cruising the shallows, finishing the day using the old tried-and-true, weighted scuds under a small strike indicator, a technique dating to the 60s and 70s. No large trout, but lots of intermediate-size rainbows fell to the rig, and we had the lake to ourselves. Day Three Ryan Walker, White River guide and friend of Phil's suggested heading for the Norfork tailwater and fishing Arkansas' catch and release zone, downstream from McClellans boat dock. Ryan is one of the new breed of White River guides, who specialize in catching large trout using flies and artificial lures (Contact Ryan through Lilleys' Landing). I'd not fished the Norfork in over 15 years and jumped at the opportunity. We found the river almost dead low and dropping, creating a series of shallow riffles, bedrock shelves, and pools, making the entire river available to anglers. We waded down to the first riffle and Ryan suggested fishing the skinny water, shallow areas at the edge of runs, before moving to the deeper areas in the riffle. "On falling water, I've found large trout holding and feeding in shallow riffle areas, overlooked by most anglers." Ryan instructed as he pointed to a spot about 5 yards from where we stood. "You'll need an indicator." I tied on a small "dead shrimp" Ryan handed me and cast...it really wasn't a cast. I just flipped the fly and indicator to the spot where Ryan pointed. The indicator stopped and I tightened the line and was fast into my first trout, a rainbow. In the next four casts, I caught and released three trout, all between 10 and 14 inches. Nice start to the day. We caught a bunch of rainbows, several browns, a couple of cutthroats and even a brook trout before breaking at noon. I'd guess we caught and released 30 to 40 trout and the day was young. After a drink, we drove to the handicap parking lot at Goat's Bluff and walked upstream to the islands and the end of the catch and release area. What an afternoon. I watched brown trout spawn; a young women hook a huge trout briefly before losing the fish; Ryan landing an 18-inch rainbow, which weighed in at about 4.5 pounds and lose another larger trout, which took off for Missouri and didn't stop; and Phil catching an Arkansas grand slam, a rainbow, brown, brook and cutthroat trout. The largest fish of the day for me...a large sucker. I have no idea how many trout we caught and released, probably well over 100 in the five hours we fished...certainly well worth the drive from Branson. Lake Taneycomo is back; heck the whole White River system is reveling in unprecedented high quality trout fishing never experienced before. Thirty years ago I envisioned what the White River System could become, and now have seen the vision come to reality. The real winner in all of this is the trout angler. The good old days are now, with more to come. And my love affair with Lake Taneycomo continues. Not older, just better. View full article

Good info- thanks Trav.

You might want to post this again and start a new topic under Beaver Creek and Swan Creek. You'll get a better response that way.

Yellow belly... not sure what that would be. Any snake experts here?

You don't know me very well...

There's so many places in our own Missouri backyard that all of us are missing out on... but God willing and the creek(s) don't rise, we'll see most of them someday. But until then, we have people like Al and Brian and many others to -show and tell- us all about it... and now we have Cricket. Welcome.

You were with the Millers... they are long time guests and nice people. I didn't get the "didn't check out" thing. I wasn't in on it. Our cleaning staff gets alittle grouchy sometimes.

Does anyone from the Branson area want to car pool to the event in Springfield Thursday? We will leave about 6sih on Thursday and have room for 4 people in my van. Was thinking about the talk... I'm sure Bill will answer questions about Table Rock fishing too. We'll add a session to the end if we have to, as long as we're done before 9:30 ish.

This is your chance to fish! We possibly need people to take a soldier fishing this Friday. We are unsure of how many people we have coming at this point. But I want to make sure we have enough volunteers to take these guys and gals fishing. We will start fishing at 9:30 am, break for lunch about 1-2 pm and back to fishing till evening. If you can only fish part of the day, we can use you. If you show up and we have plenty of help, we have extra jon boats- you can go fishing "on us". Some of these guys fly fish and some spin fish. If they are running too much water to fly fish, they will spin fish. We will supply the equipment. No guides license needed. We aren't getting paid to fish so that doesn't figure into the mix. TU and resort insurance covers the event. If you can help- drop me a PM.

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Took my son-in-law Jimmy and his bro-in-law this evening. They are pressure washing our condos this week. We boated to the dam and drifted egg fly, white jig and a red san juan. Jimmy caught one on the egg. Real slow. We ended our drift at Lookout Island where we moved in below the island and fished straight jigs and a jig and float and caught a few rainbows. They weren't on one particular color... olive, sculpin and peach worked. Fishished the evening drifting the bluff bank and threw 3/32 nd jigs, sculpin and white. We caught 4 or 5 nice rainbows. These guys were rookies but didn't pretty good.

I know what you mean!!

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"A man can never have enough crappie in the freezer." Just be careful of your possession limit... people see you keeping alot of fish- they may call an agent and he will knock on your door. Not saying you are or would Seth but it's easy to do when fishing is HOT!!