Phil Lilley

My argument is simply you think the boat will displace enough water to throw big enough wakes to harm, create problems -- more than other boats. May be you're right, may be your wrong. But you don't really know, yet you condemn it. The one video we have as evidence of that boat shows very little wake thrown against a dock it went by. We need more evidence (again, on that boat, not another boat that looks like it) to deturmon if you're right. Note: I'm not saying "if you're right or am I" because I've never rendered an opinion. I'm pointing out speculation and assumptions. I'm not condeming people who don't like it... I don't blame them! It will be loud and bothersome... but so is Gator's boat to some people. That doesn't mean he should be banned from running his boat on Taneycomo. And I've been on my dock for 34 years so that makes me a better expert

Exactly!

Me too

No, not happy. I never said I was happy this boat was here... where do you draw the line though. THAT question would get 20 different answers. No bass boats. No pontoons. No motors over 50 hp. No cruise boats. No Sammy Lane shooting its cannon. No jet skies. No boats above Fall Creek. No boats above Trophy Run. No wading in the outlets. No barbed hooks. Im not saying this to put down anyone or any opinion. Most have valid points. I'm saying if you want to fight it, make strong, factual points. There's too much emotion and assumptions being made. In the end, time will tell.

It will throw a wake. If he throws it at someone (boat, kayak, canoe), he's in trouble.

50 people on this boat.

I'm really trying to present facts, not speculation. Granted, there's a lot to see in the future on this boat and I'm saying it's not going to cause problems- it may. But some of the negative comments are either assumptions, comparing apples to oranges or false facts.

It is full of people...

https://m.facebook.com/#~!/profile.php?id=105857063022&tsid=0.7052953286852025&source=typeahead Video posted on this page shows the wake from a 360.

Did you read my post about the huge wakes that hit my dock everyday? "Dozens" was not an exaggeration, unlike comments on this thread against this business. None of you sit where I am, here on the lake, everyday, and see what I see. That boat (one boat) will not throw any bigger wakes than what we see from this boat with a 50 horse motor running 1/3rd throttle and plowing a line. We see it every day. I'm not saying the jet boat won't throw wakes... I'm saying its wakes won't be any bigger than other boats.

I'm not promoting it.

You take the best pics!! Thanks

There's a video on facebook that I can't embed here but it's of the boat going by Rockaway Beach and doing a spin. Then it shows the wake coming in a hitting the docks. It is always amazing to me to see all the ways different people see things, almost looking through various lenses. Some said it was awful, some said it was nothing. The splash of the "spin" did move a lot of water into the air and what appeared to be a good sized wake started but by the time it got to the docks, the boats hardly moved. So if that's the best wake it can throw, and it was full of people, then this is a non issue. UNLESS the pilot does it next to kayaks, canoes or other boats which if he does (and he won't if he values his job), you'll see it in the news probably. The only way this boat is going to hurt anyone is if a Jihadist gets ahold of it and makes it a killing machine. Oh wait... you can do that with any boat. Seriously, you should see the wakes that hit our dock a dozen times a day. All types of boats, all sizes of motors at all distances from the dock. We're constantly vacuuming water out of our jon boats. That's why I laugh when people talk about this boat throwing mammoth wakes like no one else throws wakes...

After a full month of releasing water from the flood gates at Table Rock Dam, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers shut them all down Sunday, now releasing water only from its turbines. Adding up all the numbers, I'd say we've seen about 120,528,000,000 cubic feet of water run by our place. That's 2,678,400 seconds in 31 days with an average of 45,000 cubic feet per second. Of course, there's nothing scientific about my estimate! Generation right now is holding at three turbines, moving about 10,000 c.f.s of water at a temperature of 52 degrees. The water is a bit off-color with visibility to about four feet. Table Rock's lake level is approaching 926 feet with little to no water running from Beaver Dam. I expect we will see this generation for quite some time, as long as Table Rock stays above 920 or so. There's not much rain in our forecast, only almost daily scattered showers. First, navigation note: The flash flood Memorial Weekend Saturday (from five inches of rain in two hours) pushed seven vehicles from a car lot, where Fall Creek crosses U.S. Highwy 165, all the way to Lake Taneycomo. They all are under the water's surface so you'd really never know they are there. There are several just below the pile of rocks at the mouth, two down close to and out from the Fall Creek Dock and one way out in the middle of the lake out from about the fifth stall. It's hard to believe that the water was forceful enough to throw full size cars and trucks that far out in the lake, but Ryan (my nephew and dock worker here at Lilleys') inspected the bank up in the creek and saw that the creek level was just under the bridge, some 20 feet over normal levels. That's a lot of water for such a small creek!! There's one truck that's just above the dock and out about 60 feet that could damage a prop, so veer away from the dock and stay to the left when traveling through. As the water drops though, more will come in to play. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, we're back to colder water below the dam, but there's still a lot of warm water fish up there. The trout are now more interested in the usual flies, scuds, San Juans, egg flies and jigs. They're still hitting lures like crank baits, spoons and stick baits but not as aggressive as earlier. The best fishing has been from Trout Hollow to Cooper Creek, drifting in the middle of the lake and using Berkley's Power Eggs. Use a 1/4-ounce bell weight on a drift rig to drop them to the bottom. On a recent guide trip there were four kids on the boat -- ages 3 to 9 -- and all caught their limit save the 3-year-old who was short one trout. They fished with one white and one orange egg until we ran out of those colors and then switched to one chartreuse and one pink egg . . . I'm not sure it mattered. Our rainbows are running bigger than normal. We had several pushing 14 inches and most over 12 inches long. Dock fishing is now plausible. The water isn't too fast to present bait or a lure well enough to catch a fish. We've had quite a few limits caught off the dock this week. Most have been caught on Power Eggs and night crawlers. Below the dam, we didn't know how our fish were going to react to colder and slower water. I say "colder," but really 52 degrees is warm compared to past years for the first of June. Normally, our water temperature is in the mid-40s. Warmer temps are from all the spring rain water added to Table Rock. But you'll see by this video that they love it and are eager to eat! The smallmouth, white and spotted bass, crappie and walleye will stay up there for weeks to come, but I'm not sure where they'll end up holding. They have been on the south bank (flood gate side), holding in the pockets and on the bottom of the lake. I think they'll still hit lures like jigs and stick baits. Watch for more up-to-date reports on how fishing is faring in our trophy area in the coming days. On a different note, I've heard bass fishing has been red hot down lake. A report was posted on Ozarkangler's Forum saying that they are hitting buzz baits just down from Rockaway Beach. Sounds like fun!

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Sure you can... the lake level is 708, 7 feet above power pool. We sent people up there all day today. Stay in the middle, no problem.

None down here that I know of. May be in the mouth of creeks and backwater.

See the report posted yesterday and today by @JestersHK

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No they didn't and I'm sure won't for that reason. Under different conditions, they would shut generation down if there's someone in the water in trouble -- they've done that several times, as long as they're advised of the incident. But when they're releasing water in this manner, and seeing this is a recovery and not a search and rescue, they have not in the past. I'm not sure at this point if it wouldn't help much. The lake level at Cooper Creek down would only drop a couple-three feet at the most if they stopped releasing water. It was Cooper Creek, not Fall Creek they were lost in. There's a lot of confusion going around in the media. I looked this morning from Cooper down to Monkey Island along the cliff bank. There's a lot of wood/trees in the water that could catch things. I saw 4 dead spoonbill.

Don't know, but the decrease come from the turbine side which is strange. 63 degrees coming over the top and 52 coming from underneath.

No that came from the boat ramp below the dam...

Not all the way to the lake... Me and Duane drifted close to them last evening and didn't see them. But we weren't looking for vehicles, we were looking for fish. DD actually threw his crank abit at the eddie formed by the rocks below the mouth and drug it out... I'm surprised he didn't snag one. I'm going up there as soon as I can and look around. I bet there's more than 4 in there. And yes, the car people should pay to have them removed.

Flash Floods... good name for them. Danna's BBQ on 165 along Fall Creek. Danna's was closed (after 9 pm). Danna has her crew move their cars from the side lot to the from so that everyone can leave at the same time safely. The last young lady had just parked her car and was walking to the door when a wall of water took her. Danna watched as she was swept toward a fence, then towards the neighbor's parking lot (Fall Creek Motel and Steak House). She caught a pole but lost grip. That was the last Danna saw of her... she thought she was gone. But she was able to grab the ladder next to the swimming pool and hold on until the water dropped. The employees inside saw water gush in from everywhere, pinning them inside. They got up on the counters in the kitchen, which has a raised floor, but the water kept coming up. It moved everything in the dining room, refrigerators, appliances. They stayed on the counter until the water went down. They found the girl, alive and safe. Fall Creek Motors - they had no time to move cars. Not sure of the exact numbers but at least 3 are in the creek and 4 in Lake Taneycomo, probably more. Ryan just boated up and spotted 4, located from the mouth to in front of the dock. There are still several missing. He said there's one in the creek that is unrecognizable. He said it's blue, that's it. More examples of the power of water. Curtis, one of our maintenance people, headed to the resort after a call about water in a unit Saturday night. He said when he pulled up to the low water spot where the church van went in, he turned around because the water was so high over the road, there was no way to get through. He said the force of the water hitting the upside part of the bridge/road shot a wave of water 4-6 feet high over the road. The van had already been swept in, Curtis was unaware of it.