Phil Lilley

It would be just a blur....

all lakes are dying, just in different stages. In 50 years, just think what these lakes will look like - I'm sure they will talk about our time as the good old days.

Don't think flushing itself would do anything but ruin the economy on and around any lake. I'm sure it's a wait and see deal.

Wow- where are you flying from to where? What's the url of the place you stayed? What size salmon and what type were you catching? Tells us about the guiding? I really would like to know about this place. Thanks.

Going to move this and bump it up. Not many views at the other place. I have one person interested so far but need at least a couple of make it work. Flights are running about $1100-$1200 from KCI or St Louis to King Salmon right now. Also - can't swing the Ugashik fly out unless we get 4 for the rate quoted. But the Naknek is starting to look real good for rainbows.

Yes- they have 2 turbines.

Every living thing is going to die. But he has a point. What's the chances of a big brown, say 12 pounds, being caught again before it dies? The odds go down the older the fish gets. A rainbow on the other hand, IMO, has a better chance to be caught over and over at, say 6 pounds, because it doesn't migrate downstream 11 months of the year and become harder to find and catch. It stays basically in the same area for most of it's like. I could be totally wrong on this so... And Trav- this isn't a dead horse. If we closed all the topics of things we have discussed on this forum in the past, you'd have half the posts you have cause we talked about basically everything before you joined.

I wonder what the numbers are like at LOZ.

I'm speaking out of hat here (not sure what that means but it means at least here that I'm speaking from memory and that's not really that good) but I remember being told by a local at Lake Erie that the lake was so bad (pollution) that the ZM were good for that lake. But other places it was bad like alot of the streams in North Michigan. I've been told that the impact on Table Rock and Taney and probably BS won't be as bad because our lakes are pretty clean already and the ZM won't multiply to large numbers just for that reason. I guess we'll see, huh?

What can be done to restore the shrimp populations as they once were??? Nothing really. MDC would if there was anything. Why are there very few if any 20" rainbows in the lake? I bet to differ. I think they're more 20+ rainbows in the lake right now than we've had in 25 years. Do bait fishers catch all the 19" fish? Granted brown trout may prey on the rainbows, but at least some should show up more than 20"? This doesn't make any sense to me. Bait fishers catch fish below Fall Creek and they probably will keep the best fish they catch. But why 19 inches? It makes no difference below Fall Creek. Now if would make sense if you said artificialers catch and keep 20 inch rainbows above Fall Creek- and I'm sure some do but most of the 20 inchers are released that I know of.

This one was kept in the water on LOZ year round so it's alittle different. But I agree with you- the premise that there are alot of boats being used on LOZ and then on other lakes without any cleaning at all. ZM so filter the water. But that's the problem in some fisheries- they clean it too good. Plus the problem with attaching to everything and becoming a problem cutting fishing line.

They're already in Taney.

sorry lake. Still haven't bought a new underwater camera yet plus it doesn't work if the water is running all the time.

Rick Osenga, a good friend now retired from CenturyTel, tells the story of working on the old Sammy Lane Boat Dock back in the late 60;s. He said the shrimp were so thick that they'd jump up and down on the dock, knocking the bugs from the foam and start a feeding frenzy- big rainbows eating the shrimp as they fell. That was of course down town Branson.

My memory of fishing at outlet #2 in the year 1975. My dad let me off at the dam and I joined dozens of anglers fishing the area from the hatchery downstream. If you drew a line from the present point of gravel below outlet #2 downstream to rebar, that where waders were lined up, all bait fishing and most using roe. It must have been springtime. The rainbows were spawning and full of roe. I used salmon eggs. There was an old guy- Doc Falkner- who talked to me alittle. He was catching lots of big rainbows and taking the roe for bait. He bragged on having pounds and pounds of "red gold" in his freezer. When someone in the line of anglers would hook a trout, they'd yell something and head downstream fighting their fish. Everyone would reel in and let him pass. Almost every time, they fight it to the rebar hole and break the fish off, come back up cussing and get back in line. Didn't see hardly anyone land one. I remember being able to wade across (no waders) about 100 feet above outlet #2 but it was up to my chest. Downstream is was way too deep. Just talked to Tom Snider, manager at Powersite. He has a pic of the dam in 1911 in which the boards are there. He said he thinks they played around with the heights of the boards from 2 feet to 5 feet but settled on 4 feet about the time Table Rock Lake was built in 1958. He has been at Powersite since 1978 and the boards have not changed. He did say that they may have run the water at Powersite differently prior to his coming and that may have affected the power pool but he isn't aware of it. Anyway- back to fishing. On my last day, in my last hour, I hooked and landed my first big rainbow. It was a nice female, full of roe. I had wanted some roe so bad- I offered to buy some from Falkner in which he declined my offer saying it was too valuable to him to part with (remember, pounds and pounds). When I landed my fish, he was on me like a hawk, wanting the roe. Since I was leaving and had to way to use it on that trip and seeing I wasn't coming back any time soon, I gave him the roe and took my gutted fish home.

My father in law works for DNR. He told me yesterday of a story about a couple who bought a boat and moved it from Lake of the Ozarks to Table Rock. They had a boat dealer located on Hwy 13 in either Kimberling City or Branson West (he didn't know who it was) move it but they refused to launch it in Table Rock until it was cleaned. It was full of zebra muscles. The couple put up a fight but ultimately they ok'ed the cleaning. The service people steamed and bleached it twice and then bleached the area it was clean at. MDC and DNR got involved at some point. It seems there was another boat bought and moved to Table Rock this summer from the same cove at LOZ but it wasn't moved by a boat dealer nor cleaned by a professional, maybe not cleaned at all. They are still trying to locate the boat. But both these boats came out of a cove at LOZ that's known to have the largest concentration of zebras in the lake- Gray Cove?? Dave wasn't sure of the name of the cove. We talked about people doing stupid stuff in regards to fishing and boating but it only takes one ignorant, non-caring person to drastically affect a major reservoir such as Table Rock Lake, in this case of zebra muscles.

These are boards that are constructed of wood, four feet high, and strung across the top of Powersite Dam on the spillway side. They are design to either give-way during extreme high water so are taken out by hand or by charge during high water, like we had in April. This allows more water to flow thru and keeping water levels lower in the upper lake (Taney).

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May be. hard to say. If the Corp delays even an hour and exposes the upper lake gravel bars to the summer sun and heat, it will kill every scud in the gravel. They've done it before... I hope they don't do it again. So it won't break my heart to see water running early Saturday morning.

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Empire Electric will start drawing down Lake Taneycomo on Saturday morning, Aug 16 and have the lake down till Sunday night or Monday morning to replace the splash board on Powersite Dam. What's happened in the past and will happen this time is that Saturday, for most of the day, the water will be or may be off at Table Rock Dam. At some point, Table Rock will start running 1-plus units to "water" the upper end of the lake. Dropping the lake 4 feet at the lower end exposes about 80% of the gravel bars from Fall Creek upstream to the dam if no water is run from Table Rock. So, Table Rock and Powersite coordinate their releases to in effect cover the gravel bars during this event. The flow above Fall Creek will be fast and shallow. The flow below the dam will not look any different than 1-plus units running. The flow below Fall Creek will be slower and the lake will appear very low so gravel bars and trees that have been left mid channel will come into play for boaters. We hope to cut out alot of these trees when the water is low. Hope to replace our no wake buoys too. After the weekend, you'll see the Corp "cycling" the water as normal, with times of no generation especially at night.

I accidentally deleted my own fishing report from a couple of days ago :) stupid! IF you missed it, the first report was good fishing. Dark jigs instead of white jigs did the trick. Best area was drifting from the cable down to the first island on the south side so we made alot of ups and downs. Jig had to be on the bottom. Used 1/8th oz sculpin/ginger was the best. Last evening, Marsha and I went up- what a delightful evening to fish!! The front was starting to move in and the humidity started to drop thus the fog never did set it- very nice!!! But the fishing was slower than the past 2 evenings. Dark jigs again but less bites. We were out trying to get a pic for a shirt design idea I have. Anyone have any ideas of what I can say on the shirt. It'll be a shirt sold out of the shop for the resort so Lake Taneycomo, Branson and Lilleys' Landing will be used. Also, thinking about doing some OA shirts similar to this same style... Fish from Tuesday evening -

PM me if you know the guide's name. MDC checked our dock yesterday. Don't think any tickets were issued but never know. There's been a group of people at the ramp below the dam the past two evenings fishing, exercising "Kim Che" as my wife informed me and have a generally good time. Don't think they're catching fish. Didn't get close enough to see how they were fishing though so I can't say for sure... There's ALWAYS going to be people all of kinds around the lakes and rivers who don't know or don't care. Just the way it is.

After reading several posts I am wondering what to expect when we get to Taney. How deep is the water under the dam? Same as other times... not much change. Should we leave our waders at home? No- I think there's a decent chance we'll see some down water this weekend. Is Fly Fishing even an option for us rookies? If the water is down- yes. Even if it's not, Linc caught alot of trout on his fly rod this week with high water. If not, is spinning gear an option? Jigs jigs jigs... oh yes. Should we bring the john boat and fish somewhere other than the trophy area? Jig below the dam to the ramp. White, sculpin 1/8th oz if it's running. Bring the boat. Any crappie biting? No We need some help guys. This is our first vacation in almost 2 years and we want to enjoy it. Weather looks really nice- water should be good and the fishing great.

Blue bass boat.... right?