Daddy Carp

Thanks Al for the clarifications. I respect your views and stands on global warming. I agree with you on many issues as to our feeding the situation with emissions, errosion of soils and mainly the removal and distruction of rain forests and other major greeneries. These are a big factor in the increased CO2 and other impurities in the atmosphere. I also totally agree that it is not, and should not, be used for political gains, "pork barrel" projects as it is not a conserv. or lib. issue. God Bless...D.C.

I can well understand what you're saying. My mother used to tell me repeatedly that "I should come to church" - "I need to go to church regular cause that's where god is" - "that I should come to church to find Jesus". During those years, I was working 5&6 days a week and raising kids. When I had a chance on Sundays, I would normally go hunting or fishing, which is probably why she was upset with me. She said this again several years ago, probably for the last time as: I smiled and spoke gently as I replied "Gee Mom, I didn't know you guys were trying to find him or that he was lost! If I had known, I would have brought him too your church and friends. You see, he was right there in the woods that his father created beside me on a log while I thanked his dad for all of this and my time and health to enjoy it. Now since I was able to talk to, my, God out there in his creation, maybe we worship different Gods? Could it be that he is all seeing and all knowing as the bible states? Do you think there's a chance that those people in the church keep telling how well-off and close to God they are, He felt no longer needed there?" Needless to say, the room was very quiet for what seemed a very long time. I love and respect my mother dearly, but have made my own choices and mistakes for many years. Finally she spoke and said "No, he's the same one! He is in all places. The important thing is that you have and keep an open communication with him. The place is not important" Then of course, she added "I can see I taught you well when you were young!" I just replied, "yep, sure did"!! I am a Mason and PM if you happen to be familiar with the org. We do not argue one religion over another, but require a belief in a Higher Power/Supreme Being otherwise no creed, promise or obligation can be binding upon you. God Bless....D.C.

Her is a link to an article with some decent info. The site: fishing.about.com, has some pretty good articles at times and a real good message board. http://fishing.about.com/od/troutandsalmon...rophy_brown.htm

Well AA, you are as predictable as day and night! Just as do all the libs I've encountered, thus far, you spout off by name-calling and put-downs, then present a lot of facts on an intirely different subject to qualify yourselves, then expect no one to call you on it. Well Sir, I most certainly will. While I will not discredit, agree or disagree with your facts of future oil reserves and the reclamation of such, I will ascertain and state that the information you provided has very little bearing on the information I passed on from the MDC web site. Now if you have valid proof that Global warming is taking place as a result of what we are doing and that altering our proceedures will reverse or even halt it, then I shall be most attentive. But until you can provide that proof-of-fact, Please do not name call & put down myself or any other of these other fine gentlemen and ladies on this forum who each have a valid opinion of their own, which we are as entitled to as yourself Sir. God Bless & Have a Nice Day........D.C.

Yep, so far my luck on BS at Beaver sucks! I am inclined to go for a "release" also......When you get those beauties back.....If I show up......Will you release them? LOL Fine job guys, Those will make fine conversation pieces for years to come. You've got a good tale to tell. If you tell it well, it will be passed on.........God Bless.....D.C.

The concept is not new as lawyers and elite businessmen have been buying up distressed farms and land for several years in the name of corporations set up to collect money from: the Gov. on CRP land banking, Hunting clubs for exclusive rights to use, Club members on memberships & dues, user fees. A very big business on distressed farm lands & forests and flood plains. The group you sited (buying an island)? I would look this type of group over real close. Anytime an "appointed" group is put in charge of something useful, valuable and desireable, it's not long before things are changed or made for the benifit of a select few. For some reason, Human-nature just don't like to share or agree on common ground. Most groups that advocate seclusion to a private area outside the jurisdiction of our Constitution is very scarry!! DON'T DRINK THE KOOLAID! There is usually one or several individuals (weirdos) who lead for power/control/ monitary gain or because "voices in their heads told them to"! Remember WACO and the kerosene cauffin, or JIMMY JONES and the cake & koolaid picknic? If people want to protect what is here, They need to start taking responsibility, listening to the events & happenings, learning how it will effect them and then going to the polls and casting an INFORMED vote. Problem is, less and less of society is willing to take that responsibility as time passes. They are to deep into themselves to care what is going on around them. Think I'm foolish? Stop 10 people at random & ask 3 questions: 1.Name the group bombed the trade centers and the date? 2.What country did the U.S. attack first, following that terrorist attack? 3. Who was in the office at that time, now held by Condoleezza Rice? Check it out!.....God Bless...D.C.

Well PHW, it's like we said, just a natural swing of temps that happens all the time throughout history. Someone needs to shove Al Gore's books,speaches and Hype up his......well, where the sun-don't-shine! Here is a post on the MDC online site. I copied the meat of it but others may want to read in full. This is a prime example, of many, as to how fast the "Global" is warming ..........................D.C. 2007 was a year to remember for extreme weather Huge ice storms that struck most of Missouri early and late in the year bracketed 12 months of meteorological extremes. JEFFERSON CITY-Weather is a perennial topic of conversation, especially among outdoors men and women. But 2007 produced meteorological extremes so remarkable that they will be talked about for decades to come. The effects of 2007’s weather will be visible to generations yet unborn. A freak ice storm rolled across 34 counties when 2007 was barely two weeks old, extending from the state’s southwest corner to St. Louis. The results were devastating. Ice grew so thick that hundreds of power lines and countless thousands of trees collapsed under its weight. More than 320,000 customers in southwest and south-central Missouri were without electricity, some for more than a week. Meanwhile, night-time temperatures plummeted into the teens and single digits. Roads in cities and rural areas alike were impassable mazes of downed trunks and limbs, cutting people in distress off from escape or emergency services and preventing utility workers from restoring power. Workers with the Missouri Department of Conservation abandoned their usual duties and turned the agency’s heavy equipment, chainsaws and know-how to the life-saving work of clearing roads. The agency set up an emergency command post in Springfield to coordinate the massive effort as more than 100 Conservation Department workers labored around the clock to open hundreds of miles of rural highways. Less could be done to soften mother nature’s next blow. In early April the mercury plunged. The arctic blast followed two weeks of temperatures from the high 60s to the low 80s. Columbia went from a high of 81.6 degrees on April 2 to a low of 18.7 degrees April 7. Similar temperature extremes occurred throughout the state. These two events spawned a bevy of other weather-related stories that continue to unfold today. The first visible effect was the failure of what had been predicted to be an unusually early and spectacular display of dogwood blossoms. The late freeze also killed the flowers of virtually every oak in the state, dramatically reducing the supply of acorns, a staple food for deer, turkeys, squirrels and a host of other wildlife, for at least two years. The ice storm’s effects continued to be noticed as the year progressed and foresters got out in the woods in southwest Missouri. They discovered that downed tree limbs and trunks had multiplied the supply of fuel for wildfires by a factor of 10. That could create a second storm, this time with fire, not ice. An even larger ice storm parked over Missouri from Dec. 7 through 11, spreading destruction over the entire state. Although the power outages were not as extensive, the year-end storm also created an enormous amount of woody debris. In response to the increased risk of wildfires, the Conservation Department has launched a public-awareness campaign, encouraging property owners to take preventive measures before the spring fire season arrives. Information will be posted on the Conservation Department Web site, missouriconservation.org, under the keyword "Forestry." The loss of a significant portion of Missouri’s annual turkey hatch was another weather-related story. Turkey hens had responded to two weeks of above-normal temperatures in March by starting to lay eggs, and the severe freeze destroyed many of those eggs. The extended cold spell in early April put a halt to turkey mating behavior. Turkey hens that had been laying eggs were back to wintertime behavior patterns. Hens all over the state were seen roaming the landscape with gobblers in late April, rather than sitting on nests full of eggs. That meant that male turkeys didn’t have to gobble as much to attract hens, which made them much less likely to respond to hunters’ calls. Partly as a result of this, the spring turkey harvest was down. More important to turkey hunters, the number of young turkeys was the second-lowest on record. Missouri was both more and less colorful than usual on account of the April freeze. The destruction of many trees, flowers and the insects that visit them caused migrating songbirds, such as orioles and grosbeaks, to visit backyard bird feeders more than usual. However, the stress to trees from the freeze and an unusually hot, dry summer reduced the duration and vividness of Missouri’s fall foliage display.

YEP! Now your talkin Trav! This is why I wouldn't let those guys volunteer you for the trip (didn't need all that money they offered anyway). We need you here to help filter the gene-pool and coral the species............. Top O' Tha Day, Mate!.......D.C.

While we are on the subject of "sure-catch" baits, has anyone tried the SWIMTAIL MINNOW or WALKING WORM? The action on the video and the concept look like it may really be superior! Now-a-days, you can't even believe all you see nor most of what you hear or read in the paper/TV. Looks like it may work, but they pay a guy a lot of money to make me think that! What's your take on them? Have you tried them or seen them used?

I think that PHW pretty well stated it! This is the same thing Rush Limbaugh has been saying all along: "If we are causing it, then we can stop or reverse it". Since we can do neither with all our power and technology, it's not us causing it and there is nothing we can do to stop it. If a room maintains a temperature of 70* and the normal body temp. is 98.2* it will increase the temp. of that room if you bring in 10 more people. It will not increase the temp. of the natural heat source for the room!.... but only the temp within the room. If the avg. GLOBAL temp is 78* and there are people and animals generating and giving off BTU's of heat, into their surroundings, it is raising the temp. of their surroundings (the globe). With $$175 Billion on the table, what I call it is a "sell-out" to the liberal tree-hugging bastar.. ,yet a necessary one, to get the funding that is most needed to fix up what the gen. public has carelessly screwed up! Is the avg.-mean temp of the earth warming? I think so, as it has in the past, only to cool (beware of the iceage syndrom)back down again. As I said earlier about the 98.2* body temp. These people are putting out a lot of Global warming! The only way to stop or reverse it is to remove them. 1st flight leaves Branson in a week. I am now taking reservations for volunteers-to-leave the earth to save the snow bunnies, zebra muscles and trout. I know that the "Global" is warming because I fished Christmas day in just a shirt and sleevless hoodie and was very warm & comfortable. This is the first time, ever, that I have been able to do this at a nearby lake on Dec. 25th. It must be getting warmer!!! The fact that I live 290 mi. south of where I lived before, has no bearing on it. If you think it does, just ask your "local liberal" and they will tell you - NOPE! global warming! No!! It is a voluntary list! TRAV will have to sign for himself, you guys can't volunteer for him............LMAO.............................. God bless, Have a good one! ......D.C.

........................................................... WOW !! I am totally surprised and caught off guard that anyone from the area or who has spent much time here would mention the use of that stuff right here just after Christmas and getting ready to start a brand new year!! You should know good and well that all us ole Redneck, backwoods, cowboys down here pride our holidays and the celebration of such! That's our stuff for the 4th of July and we won't waste it in the winter. Besides, on the 4th, Johnny-law just thinks it's a big firecracker and there are more fishes bunched together at the dam to stay cooler in July. If you are up there fishing on the 4th and see a bright sparkler comming off the bluff, Run like the devil!! It might be me or Trav celebratin! LMAO ..LOL..LOL God Bless Crappie, & have a Happy New Year........D.C.

.................................................................... Hey Trav, Didn't think you ever left left Lower-Taney! LOL You're right about the publicity of the muskies. However, it seems that it is only circulated in the muskie circles. For many years, the crappie fishing was one of the main draws on Pomme. It has weakened over the past few years. Now, somebody is telling lies in the "Pro butt" circles. (sorry, typo, Bass)LOL. They must be pretty convincing because there ar anywhere from 5-12 clubs 1/3 full of idiots who beleive that Pomme is a top "bass fishery". They all converge on that small lake and run back & forth at 50-60mph fighting for a place to fish. Most of them would catch more & bigger if they would just slow-down & fish a spot rather than 5-casts-and-away! The big thing Pomme had going was "a family fishing lake" with super camping facilities, marinas and a peaceful lake to fish. This has been erroded into oblivion now by the Bass Clubs, 2000hp pontoon boats, 28'"jet-set" ski-boats. It is still not quite as bad as stockton for the big boats but getting there fast. I am still considering a surplus PT boat just to cruise the lake on the weekends during tournament season for a couple years. I'm a kind of "in-your-face & up your..) kind a guy too. I'm a firm believer that there is plenty of pie for everyone if you don't hog it & use a little common sense. Not just on Pomme, It's wide spread throughout society in this day-and-age. Muskies are what they hoped would be the draw. You can catch just as many if not more Muskies by casting in prime areas over trolling. You will make a lot of casts (10,000) per fish but you cover alot of miles & gas troll also. Guess it depends on which you enjoy. Because I enjoy working the areas specific for Bass, Crappie and Walleye, I usually cast for them. Have caught several but really don't want the slime & stink in my boat. If you've caught them or northern, you know of which I speak! May as well dump the shad bucket on the carpet! Good luck and stay warm on the water...D.C.

Trav, You're on it with the "blue"! I've been buying, Matzuo "rumble" shad lipless in a (blue/gray/black) shad pattern now for 2 years. The rumble shad was discontinued by Matzuo and the only place I can find them is on EBAY. I usually buy them in quantity along with a couple other colors. This (blu/gry/blk) seems to be the best "go-to" I've found on Pomme and several other lakes. Not only is the action & sound better than "rattle traps" but the color & appearance seem to be more desirable....looks so darn good, almost ate it my self! LOL

If you look back to about Aug/Sept on the Pomme de Terre forum, I think I outlined these things and said then that Pro Bass tournaments were not about friends and friendly fishing. It has become nothing more than a Competitive sport driven by Promoters and Equipment Mfgs. These guys don't fish for fun, they are driven by the "almighty dollar" and a greedy need to be 1st. Once it gets beyond the friendly local club outings, It suddenly turns brutely commercial.

A very Merry Christmas Bill and your Mrs. and a very Merry Christmas to all you anglers and future anglers out there!

I know just what you mean! There are 2 birds that live in the bluffs across from Rockaway's fishing dock. I believe the are Osprey. When I'm sitting out there fishing for table stock, I love to watch them fishing. They will circle an area, tighten the circle to a few yards, fold their wings back to the appearence of an arrow, then SWISSSHHH - head first into the water with talons extended. Rarely see them miss. Quite often they will fly just off the water & make a large circle trying to gain some altitude with a trout almost as big as they are. Never have seen one have to let it drop. They are amazing birds to watch.

Hey Amish, are they catching any walleye off the main points yet? With 50 degree surface, I figure the bass & crappie are suspended about 20'- 25' in structure. The walleye and muskies should be moving in shallower off the points. Have you had the warm weather (50's/60's) like we have on Taney? Haven't heard much from Pomme Geezer of late. He must have finally got his stove lit rubbing 2 sticks together (stick matches, he cheated). If he's got a fire going, he won't leave the warmth til spring-thaw! LOL

Has anyone been catching or heard of "quality" walleyes comming in & if they are hitting in the upper end around Beaver and Kdock? Should be a good time for the bass running a deep crank bait or a spoon with trailer. If this summer weather holds till Feb. I may get a chance to try them.

Well guys, We've brought out some pretty good ideas and caused ourselves to stop, assess and think things out a bit. Amish, I don't think Trav was intentionally putting down other fishermen (sportsmen type) but rather qualifying his experience and opinion. I was once told by a Top Salesmanager, "If you through enough poop against the wall, some of it will stick". The 3000 hrs. gives him much experience and it sounds like he has absorbed and learned many do's & don'ts. Now if you only look at the surface of figures you would first think, that 300 bass would sink his boat. Nope, he is a fisherman just like you and I who enjoys the sport and spends a lot of time at what he enjoys. Fact: 300 bass in 3000 hrs. is an average of 1 good keeper every 10 hours. Darn Amish, we do that on Pomme even with the over-fishing by the tournament guys. No I don't take it as a "put down" but more a statement of facts. Taney "is" like a big Gov. aquarium set up primarily to draw tourism into the "Ozark's Land-of-fishing" It is in many ways a challenge depending on how and where you fish. The lower end is bigger, wider and deeper and has less fish/acre that the upper end. As was said, the waders have better luck in the upper end as it is smaller and they can access more shallow water. Bottom line....probably 10 times as many fish/acre with less food and room to hide. Hence, the AQUARIUM EFFECT. Since this is the best we've got, I agree totally, we need to make the best of it. If an angler wants more challenge, he can always move down river. As was stated, one of the main parts of a true flyfisherman's fun is creating, tying, adjusting and presenting his own creations with a sucessful catch. Fishes don't have many smarts!! They only bite a bait for 1 of 3 reasons; they are either angry, hungry or curious, except a 4th if you count them that run into mine and Trav's hooks by accident!! God Bless & may you keep him long enough to get a good look at him .........D.C.

JSCHEETZ... Didn't say Bennett was same as a natural stream. I well know the differencebut at least you can wade and catch some quality fish with effort. As far as the beer and helmet set, I do not spend any time in that area so I'll take your word as "gospel". I know they're around just as on the docks-of-taney. I have always spent my 90% of my time above the bridge & a lot of it above the falls. You being familiar with the area know of which I speak. Much harder to catch trophy fish there than Taney but I see a lot of various "trout organization" patches & vests representing both local and national organizations present in the same area. Hence, can't be all bad...........Wishing you the best for the holiday season....D.C.

Yah, I wondered who did such a good job building those! I stumbled across it accidentally with my Aqua Viewer. Man, those are some of the BIGGEST bass I have ever caught. There were so many each time I went back. Must be a really good structure, all those other guys that were there were catching limits of 5-7# fish too. Boy, looked like a "regatta" over that structure!!..................LMAO! God Bless, Trav & have a good one! I just couldn't resist pullin your chain a little.....LOL D.C.

Why create a big aquarium out of a perfectly good fishing lake? If the Brownies all swim upstream and not down, and the Bows "work" their way upstream dosen't this create a traffic jam! With all the catch and put back I would think that the upper end is getting pretty crowded. At a stock rate of 10,000 browns per year and all the rainbows stocked, all headed to the dam. If they are not thinned out as intended, won't they be unhappy fish and argue and fight all the time over food and O2? I personally think that slot limits are a foolish waste of time on a fish that will not spawn and reproduce. Why worry about the best brood size? Dah! I can see size limits in order to give smaller fish a chance to grow and become trophies. The size and quantity limits make better size and quality fish available to the angler. If dinner is all an angler wants, he can buy it cheaper at country mart than paying for a fishing trip and equipment. With that kind of investment, he needs quality fish not to mention quality fun. Nope, slots are to protect the brooders and some one had their head in the wrong place when they set them on these trout. Spawing stream, without a doubt, Taneycomo, useless. The number of rainbow spawn doesn't even register. These are not BASS or Crappies! The Browns & Bows increase their numbers based on the numbers stocked. At a stock rate of 10,000 per year, probably 400 to 500 browns over 20" caught per year and 1/2 of those released does not thin out the population much. The break-even figure is 5,000 fish caught and "0"released, in a year, just to stay at a "status quoa" on the fish population at present. Put the pencil to it! Don't have all the answers, for sure, only a personal perspective based on 60 yrs. exp. and common sense. I am always for bigger healther fish in greater numbers. Just don't want the lake to become "Lake China" where 20 fish fight over 1 grain of rice. I would like to see it more like Bennett Springs or the natural streams where you better be skilled or you won't catch fish. The sport is not called "CATCHING", it is called "FISHING". When I hear so many fishermen talking of catching 15-25 troutin 5-8hrs on the water using every type & color bait sold.....it tell me you don't have to "angle" for them, just throw an empty hook and one will run into it. This means that they are either overly hungry or over-populated of both. Fun, but not the intended sport. Talk to some Irish or European trout fishermen and ask what they expect to catch per day. And these guys are some of the devoted fly fishermen in the world and have been since before we were a country. Goc Bless.....D.C.

Leave things the way they are. There are a lot of restrictions on the lake now on certain things that are unnecessary and none where there should be. The gov. needs to pay more attention to the people's actions & equipment who use the lakes and less on trying to manage Mother Nature. I've yet to see where they have not screwed things up trying to micro-manage game sizes and quantity. IE: Turkeys in Kansas - They brought in turkeys and planted them state wide, they over populated and upset the quail populations and became a farming nuisance. So then the state started bring in more bobcats to eat the turkeys - BAD IDEA, as the Bobs started eating the quail and pheasants along with small farm animals. They left the turkeys alone because they did not need to fight a 30-35# bird with spurs when quail and pheasant were so easy. Hence I understand that they are now bringing in more cougars to thin out the deer populations. What will THEY decide to eat rather than chase a very fast animal down? NOPE, Keep the GOV. out of the water! Let them tend to the people on top of the water. If they did a better job on those regulations, I would not have been almost swamped in a 16' Lowe jon yesterday in the shallow just above Lilley's by some old man with 2 passengers running 1/3 throttle so as to create max wake and comming within 15-20' of myself and several other boats. He was in a white deck boat (sun-tracker) I believe. No call for that at all. I don't travel alone and I thought Mr. Smith or Mr. Wesson was going to yell at him. I convinced them it wasn't necessary. The next guy may not be as convincing with them as I was and the "Ole Fool" will be fishing his deck boat off the bottom of the lake looking like swiss-cheese! Oh well, back to pleasant things, time to go fishing again. God Bless & have a good one........D.C.

Thanks Trav. I went down to Empire and put in this afternoon (yes guys, after I took my cleaning lady shopping). I talked to a couple of guys who were leaving when I got there......Hmmmmmm.... strange, they didn't even know me. They said it had been real slow for them. One had been using rooster tail spinners and caught 1 fair bow. I went out and caught 4 decent table bows right off. I was using a blue fox inline and a candy-apple/white pearl spoon. I then started with some lures. Got some pretty good response on My "walmart specal" diver and a rainbow flat fish (F-5). I probably caught 10-12 bows in all. No browns but did have 1 good follow & strike on the diver by a pretty good sized brownie. Spent the afternoon trolling and casting, working the bottom with the spoon awhile. I did find some pretty good stumps and logs in 18'-24' water with my spoon. Amazing, I still have my spoon. LOL LOL God Bless & Good Luck..........D.C.

This has been wittnessed by several in the Rockaway Beach area of the lake. There were bass sitting on nests. Hard to believe, but "we see'd it within our own eyes"! I've been told that it is not uncommon on this lake. Don't know about that but I saw what I seen and seen what I saw. Now all I have to do is try to believe my eyes.