woodman

With old linkage and parts from jet ski cable the tilting of the motor in shallow water won't bind the steering. The wood dowel setup needs improvement...but it works.

For what it's worth .....make you're own flat back..

These were taken last year on the Big Sugar. Our dog Cinnamon was a great dog...she was killed by a car ,in front of our house, June 30th 7 days ago....she loved to go fishing...she would watch you're line or bober and loved canoe fishing....

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I floated that down to the campground arround the corner from where the Indian creek dumps into the elk. The K.C. Jeep club had reserved that site 2 yrs back. while they went offroading on Sat. I had my Son-in-Law take me up to Lanagan and floated down to camp, ausome only saw a hand full of people. I would like to take my 18' tepe down to Indian Creek campground sometime and float from upstream down to that camp site. Anyone remember being able to camp right across from where the Indian dumps into the Elk back in say 1966. This was arround the corner from the train bridge where it is all woods with, I think, a field you can see from the road.

KC riverrat wrote: Woodman, do you know Karen Gruender who owns Cedar Camp on the Little Niangua? KC I was camped their last year when John died. The pic. is from that weekend. I havent been their yet this year but itching to go. I live in Bates City,near Odessa. It takes me 2 1/2 hrs to drive their. My Mom live outside of Wheatland 4miles from the Croostimbers access on the Pomme de Terre River. My Dad died about 2 months before John Gruender last year so I know what his daughter was going through. As far as camping the club already reserved the campground at Pineville. The big one on the S. side of the river. I had camped in the one across the river from it years ago when an old man owned it (that was arround 1995). Flash flood on the river at Hindersons back in the mid 60's yea pushing the water off the roof of the big old sears tent to keep it from colapsing (I was about 11yrs. old in 64) That place had so manny different types of holes, and what about Cedar Bluff down stream from their. (Cole's Hole on the Big Sugar.) never heard of it. My mom was raised in Joplin and Dad in Miss. and later on when they moved from K.C. to near Truman lake he didn't do much clear water fishing he got to lake fishing (which I am not really into). So I guess any kind of 8 mile float must start arround Cyclone? Which brings back memories of floating with my parents in an 8' john boat from Cyclone to craig o lee. Pusning the boat over a tree and the water sooooo clear. I remember having to ride in the back of the 63 ford pickup (with a campershell) and getting dusted out back their on the gravel road to Cyclone. My 2 younger sisters got to ride in the cab of the truck. Here is a memory for you back in 1957 October we lived in Ruskin Heights and were in that big tornado,I was 4. My fishing buddy..........

Coming down from K.C. with the son-in-laws Jeep Club the 25-29 to one of the camp grounds at Pineville. Will be floating on friday. I hate croweds ,usualy go to the Little Niangua 2 1/2 hrs from my house. Yep used to go the Elk, tons of times in the early 60's as kids,put a couple of bucks$ per-day in the tin can at Tony Hindersons (arround the corner from the golf corse in Noel). We would camp for 2weeks at a time,no elect. no shower house or jony-on-the-spots. Those days are l-o-n-g g-o-n-e. We will be floating the Big Sugar for 8 miles where is that put in Grag-olee? I remember puting money in a tin can at cyclone that was an ausome camp site. Any one remember a camp site right across from where Indian creek dumpes into the Elk, that had to be 1967. I remember a little Doe walking around their some one had put a red ribbon around its neck like it was someones pet. While the Jeep Club goes to Grand lake to off-road Sat. I want to float some where else quite. I never floated the Little Sugar. Where would be a good put in? Little Niangua last year...........

How do the wire ones work in runing water ,and what bait do you use that won't float out or get lodged in the wire mesh? I have a plastic one that is geting old , just wondered ,since everything is made of plastic. why stop making minnow traps that work? This type of trap...... http://www.minnowtraps.com/royaltraps.html

I can't find the plastic minnow traps any more all you see is wire. Back in the old days 60's we used glass ,mom still has her dads glass trap. Used many times on the elk river. I don't understand why the plastic traps have disapeared. We always bated with saltine crackers and the traps would be black with shiners. Excelent catfifish bait. How do these wire traps work on the ripples in the clear streams and what is used for bait?

So what is this secret weapon sold on the internet fore $200. to draw fish to you're boat at night. Some special light? Seems like a scam to me............

It's a shame the flood plaine ,or gravel bars, aren't fair game for puling of and camping. All the freeways have easments..................

Haven't been on this site since last year. But the big suger creek is a place I have been since the early 60's and 10. yrs old. I barley remember floating down from cyclone to the low-water bridge at cragolee as a kid with my mom and dad in a 8' or 10' john boat. The water was so crystal clear and we had to drag it over some logs as I remember. Back around 1982 I took my old 4 door 57chevy and went tent camping up at cyclone ,still have a bunch of pics. I took. You can't even camp up their any more by the low water bridge. Went camping at three rivers back in 96 and caught a lot of small mouth the largest being an 18'' on down, and caught the freak of it all, a huge crappie up the little sugar , wading distance from camp. I thought where the hell did this crappie come from. These days "I went to Indian creek 2 yrs ago and it sees no canoes and to me that is worth it all.... I live 30 miles east of KC and the Little Niangua is the place for me NO PEOPLE. AND GOOD FISHING

Any one here of the KC. Boat Club that used to have races here in the 60's. I posted a thread on Hydroracer.net and got some feed-back from some racers in their 60's that used to race here. Interesting stories about Swope Park.

My boat is in my avatar,just click on my photobucket to see all the pic. and some video. That Minimost on the post is not mine but I suspect it will do 30+ mph, maby 35-40,don't know. I built one and they are easy. The Hydros they race ,some are home made. Feast over some of these sites. http://www.dillon-racing.com/ http://www.jdsextreme.com/ http://www.boatracingr11.com/sorensenmain.htm http://www.glen-l.com/ http://www.muskokaseaflea.ca/ http://www.fralickboats.com/ http://www.theboatshop.com/plans/nimrod.shtml http://www.smallboats.com/boats_warcanoe.htm http://www.jemwatercraft.com/ http://clarkcraft.com/index.php3?cart_id=5...077f43724d60480

Let's get some guys together and build some of these boats this winter, and hit the local lakes next summer.These boats are a hoot, more fun than jetskis. I have a wood shop on my property near Oakgrove where we can work out of. They used to race the'se type boats in the 60's around the Swope Park Lagoon. Anyone in KC. interested, tired of buzzing the lakes by myself. A bunch of these could give jet skis a fit.

Any you guys remember the hydro races of the 60's. They used to race arround the Swope Park Lagoon. Wood boat races at the Pom. and the Ozarks. I am tring to get some interested in building the little 8' Minimost. They are easy to build and I'll even offer my shop that we can work in. My 30'x60' barn (cabinet shop) near Oakgrove. Build this winter to hit the local lakes next summer. Those boats are a hoot.

The site to see my boats is on the photobucket site on my post. These are power boats ,but I am told I am in my second childhood....HA. I have 2 younger sisters who also fish and we were brought up on the water. In 1961 I was water sking at Prarie Lee Lake (KC.MO.)our parents had a 15' wood runabout with a 70hp merc, I was 8 yrs old. This year with the TNT (plans from Glen-l.com)I revisited the lake with my boat after more than 40 yrs, That was quite a feeling. Done a lot of pond fishing but stream fishing is where it is at. I modified a 17' Osageion cuting of the back and making a flat back. put a 28lb thrust trolling motor on and it goes great up short chutes on the Little Niangua. Got bucket seats ,battery tied in the center and my dog a place up front. Heck their is umbrellas on it for the sun mounted to the backs of the seats. Any one ever put in at the bridge (J) Little Ningua and motor up stream ,way up to the concreet low water bridge? Ausome fishing ,big DEEP holes it's lovely, Eagles flying above.

Stumbled on this site looking at a canoe build. I built my first boat last fall. So that's what I have done on the water all this year. Fishing all my life. Brought up fishing below Joplin on the Elk river in the 60's. Indian creek down their now has little traffic. Not so sure about Big sugger creek up by Cyclone. Good memories of trips to these places when I was a kid. Like going to the Little Niangua now, not much traffic their also. Never got into lake fishing.