bigredbirdfan

Your Guy, Barrack Hussein Obama, is ahead in the polls on his way to a landslide victory and the one thing you and the rest of the bleeding heart liberals can do is attack his mitiltary record. Unbelievable. You have probably just lost what little bit of credibility you had with anyone undecided on this forum. Truely remarkable. Out of all of the things you could attack little old John McCain with and you choose this? It seems whenever anyone but you uses (what in your mind are weak sources) you attack them and brand them biased, but.....A.....OK for you. Liberals should get the correct information before they bash our military heros. Excuse me while your post now makes me want to go puke in my trash can. John Sydney McCain III's Offical Navy Military Record: http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/330F8.../0/Document.pdf

Here it is. I knew it would come out sometime. October 8, 2008 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/...-if-obama-loses CARVILLE: Let me be clear, I said you can call the dogs and light the fire and leave the house. I think it sounds over. Now let me be clear here, if Obama goes in this race with a 5- point lead and losing this election, the consequences are -- bull, man. I mean I don't think that's going to happen, but I think David it's a point to bring up. But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there. We have officially been warned by the big cajun mouth himself that if Obama loses we could have race riots.

"I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Barrack Hussein Obama said. "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

NUTS! By JEANE MacINTOSH, Post Correspondent Christopher Barkley Last updated: 8:01 am October 9, 2008 Posted: 4:31 am October 9, 2008 CLEVELAND - Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they'd already signed up. Barkley estimated he'd registered to vote "10 to 15" times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others. Claims such as his have sparked election officials to probe ACORN. "I kept getting approached by folks who asked me to register," Barkley said. "They'd ask me if I was registered. I'd say yes, and they'd ask me to do it [register] again. "Some of them were getting paid to collect names. That was their sob story, and I bought it," he said. Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. The group seeks to register low-income voters, who skew overwhelmingly Democratic. "You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," said Lateala Goins, 21, who was subpoenaed. "They will follow you to the buses, they will follow you home, it does not matter," she told The Post. She added that she never put down an address on any of the registration forms, just her name. A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 times over 18 months, officials said. "It feeds the public perception that there could be [fraud], and that makes the pillars fall down," said local Board of Elections President Jeff Hastings. Registering under a fake name is illegal. But officials usually catch multiple registrations and toss them. The major risk of fraud growing out of mass canvassing involves the possibility of ineligible voters filing absentee ballots, and thus avoiding checks at polling places, said Republican National Committee chief counsel Sean Cairncross. The subpoenas come as Republicans have ramped up criticism of ACORN. Officials in Nevada raided ACORN's Las Vegas office Tuesday, accusing the group of signing people up multiple times - in some cases under phony names, like those of Dallas Cowboys. ACORN's Cleveland spokesman, Kris Harsh, said his group collected 100,000 voter-registration cards; only about 50 were questionable, he claimed. As for workers, "We watch them like a hawk," he said.

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration By BILL DRAPER, Associated Press Writer Wed Oct 8, 9:45 PM ET KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states. Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote. "I don't even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy," Davis said. "We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don't exist, people who have driver's license numbers that won't verify or Social Security numbers that won't verify. Some have no address at all." The nonpartisan group works to recruit low-income voters, who tend to lean Democratic. Most polls show Republican presidential candidate John McCain with an edge in bellwether Missouri, but Democrat Barack Obama continues to put up a strong fight. Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards — 85 of them duplicates. "They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000." FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate. "It's a matter we take very seriously," Patton said. "It is against the law to register someone to vote who does not fall within the parameters to vote, or to put someone on there falsely." On Tuesday, authorities in Nevada seized records from ACORN after finding fraudulent registration forms that included the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys. In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures. Ordower said Wednesday that ACORN registered about 53,500 people in Missouri this year. He believes his group is being targeted because some politicians don't want that many low-income people having a voice. "It's par for the course," he said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote." Republicans are among ACORN's loudest critics. At a campaign stop in Bethlehem, Pa., supporters of John McCain interrupted his remarks Wednesday by shouting, "No more ACORN." Debbie Mesloh, spokeswoman for the Obama campaign in Missouri, said in an e-mailed statement that the campaign supported any investigation of possible fraud. According to its national Web site, the group has registered 1.3 million people nationwide for the Nov. 4 election. It also has encountered complaints of fraud stemming from registration efforts in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and battleground states like Michigan, Ohio and North Carolina, where new voter registrations have favored Democrats nearly 4 to 1 since the beginning of this year. Missouri offers 11 electoral votes; the presidential candidates need at least 270 to win the election.

Pollster: Don’t believe the Dem hype By Joe Dwinell & Jessica Fargen Wednesday, October 8, 2008 The presidential race is still too close to call and could come down to the very last weekend before voters decide if they like or distrust Barack Obama, a national pollster predicts. “I don’t think Obama has closed the deal yet,” pollster John Zogby told the Herald yesterday. Zogby’s latest poll, released yesterday in conjunction with C-Span and Reuters, shows Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat, with the Illinois Democrat up 48-45 percent. Zogby said the race mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election. “The Sunday before the election the dam burst,” Zogby said of the 1980 tilt. “That’s when voters determined they were comfortable with Reagan.” Now voters are wrestling with two senators with opposite resumes - Obama, at 47, the unknown, and the established 72-year-old McCain. Zogby said he’s still hearing from moderates and non-partisan voters - what he calls “the big middle” - who are still shopping for a candidate. “It still can break one way or the other,” Zogby says. The Numbers The three-day survey polled 1,220 likely voters - about 400 people a day. Zogby will continuously poll right up until the November election. The latest poll numbers may reflect the bump that McCain received after his running mate, Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin sparred with Obama’s running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden during the first and only vice presidential debate last week. The poll shows that the two White House contenders have no problem attracting support from their own parties. Obama is winning 84 percent of the Democratic Party support and McCain has 85 percent of the GOP support, but Obama has the edge among sought-after Independent voters. He leads McCain among independents, 48 percent to 39 percent, according to the poll. Obama also has support from a slightly higher percent of conservative voters than McCain gets from liberal voters, but the advantage is small, according to the poll. Pollsters surveyed 1,220 likely voters and asked approximately 39 questions. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.

Great Information. I will be getting a Linger Lesson next weekend. For a good well stocked tackle box of jigs what do you keep? Colors and sizes if you don't mind sharing? Thx, BRBF

Thanks Cotterboy. Great Information.

Congratulations. You win the award for information in the wrong thread. Yippie. And your source for this crap smearing a war hero?

I owe you nothing. You repeatedly don't answer my questions on other posts so guess what do your own investigating. I don't have time to hunt down the nut job's positions and how much money they have given to Obama. Your refuting of Obama's 2nd Amendment postions is quit impressive.

Thought this might help. It is in reference to the White River Zig Jig. I don't have any interest in the company, but have caught a lot of fish on these jigs. Very good jigs if you don't tie them. http://zigjig.net/ The Zig jig system The Zig Jig is fished by casting perpendicular to the flow or quartering downstream just a little. Let the Zig Jig sink to within 3" to 6" of the bottom on slack line and then give it a good pop with your rod. Drop your rod tip as the jig drops on the slack line and when you think it's almost on bottom, pop it again. As you are dropping your rod tip while the Zig Jig sinks, reel in the excess line. Repeat the pop and drop action of the retrieve all the way in. If you are fishing this technique correctly, you won't feel the fish bite. When you pop the Zig Jig at the bottom of the drop, you'll either pop the jig or set the hook. Trout, and most other fish, will hit the Zig Jig on the drop about 95% of the time. Most of the time they are biting at the bottom of the drop or as the Zig Jig nears the bottom. Under most conditions, if you are not catching fish, the jig is simply not getting deep enough and you will need to slow down your retrieve. If you are hanging up all the time you need to speed up your retrieve or pop the Zig Jig sooner. The water on the White and Norfork rivers is normally clear enough to estimate how deep it is. A good rule of thumb is to count the Zig Jig down at one foot per second. A good pair of polarized sunglasses is a must in order to estimate the depth of the water and to see the fish chase the Zig Jig. When you see a fish chasing the jig adjust your retrieve to the speed the fish seem to want that day. Many times the fish will swirl and strike at the Zig Jig all the way to the boat. Many fish are caught within three or four feet of the boat, including some pretty nice size fish.

Will you be requesting sources on his claim of "ALL of the Appalachians and half of the West" or do you just concentrate on what you want? I thought the base belief of liberals is equality?? O I forgot hypocracy at the highest!

You guys have talked me into it. Where is it located? I am thinking I will start launching my boat at Rockaway and not Branson so I can eat at Pizza Celler or Beach House when I take out of the water because there is no courtsey dock to tie up to while fishing.

Most of the time you will pop it vertically bouncing it near the bottom. Sometimes in shallower water the popping is more horizontal. You will develop a time in between pops. Start with a count of 5 seconds then very it. You will actually feel it bounce the bottom. Look at the White River Zig Jigs if you don't want to spend $3 buck a piece on PMS jig. This is very fun fishing when you get the hang of it. Good luck. BTW what size line is everyone else using tied at the jig? When the water was way down last fall. I was using 4 lb and had no bites. Tied on a 6X tippet and bam, bam, bam.

And get rid of recipies and racing if you don't care for them either? No thanks.

Meat and Dairy: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080910/hl_t...balwarmingworse http://www.dfwnetmall.com/earth/realistic-...consumption.htm Enjoy this reading while you ruin the environment with your polluting meat sandwich.

Welcome!

I respectfully disagree. Almost every agency that oversees the water we all fish is controlled by an administration elected to office by the people of this great land. From the administration of the President (department of the interiors), the Govener (DNR and MDC) or even county governments (planning and zoning) all have a bearing on the freedoms we enjoy as outdoors people. Of particular interest to most outdoorsmen are gun rights. While I certainly understand Mr. Allenbaugh point I disagree. The moderators have done an excellent job monitoring these posts and I venture to guess they are the most viewed on the forum at this time. Everyone has the right to vote for who they want and with that comes the need to educate themselves about the canidates. This being said everyone also has the freedom here to look at what they choose and become active in topics they feel are important. If politics is something that is not your cup of tea then no need to look at the posts. It will all be over soon and somebody on either side will be unhappy, but I don't think ozarkanglers forum will continue to be the place they direct their disappointment (unless a particular policy is at issue). I am sure this is considered rambling, but I feel the need to express my viewpoint.

HOMELESS 'DRIVEN' TO VOTE OBAMA By JEANE MacINTOSH October 6, 2008 CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked. The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency. Republicans have argued that the window could lead to widespread voter fraud because officials wouldn't have an opportunity to verify registration information before ballots were cast. Among the volunteers were Yori Stadlin and Vivian Lehrer of the Upper West Side, who got married last week and decided to spend their honeymoon shepherding voters to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. Early today, Stadlin's van picked up William Woods, 59, at the soup kitchen of the Bishop Cosgrove Center. "I never voted before," Woods said, because of a felony conviction that previously barred him from the polls. "Without this service, I would have had no way to get here." Wow. And such a well informed voter. Surely they aren't promised a free beer if they vote Obama. Absolute scumbags willing to do anything to win. Afterall ends justify the means. Now real surprise for a community organizer linked to the most corrupt, voter fraud organization ACORN. Please post any more instances of election stealing you can find.

I have never had one either.

The problem IMHO is the lack of Board Oversight in the big companies. The same thing goes on on city councils, school boards and corporations. The members just fall in line like brain dead dummies and agree with everything management or administration proposes. It is time they wake up or stay the hell off the boards if they don't want to do their job and protect shareholders and oversee management.

My uncle swears by fishing line one size higher than the rod recommendations. Is he incorrect?

How do you control the cow farts without placing a consumption restriction on beef and pork? And don't forget the fossil fuels that go into hay production and grain production. You think because you raise your own you will be immune. Wait until you get a tax on each of them above the "normal consumption rate." They have the ability to check your hollar by google earth for the number you own. Less you forget. Believe it or not corporations (which everyone seems to like now that their retirement plans are dependent upon them) can't alone curb all the greenhouse gas emissions the GW crowd aims to control.

I don't refer to your posts as babbling so please do not refer to mine as such. All of my points are what policy makers of GW would like to restrict. How else would they curb carbon output? You will really be yucking it up when you only get so much beef per year and get to drink soy milk. Oh yes Mr. Global Warming methane happens to be a source of warming too.

I haven't fished a fly rod in some time. I know I need new line on my rod and reel. I have also inherited my dad's older rod and reel when he passed away which might have the original floating line on it. I desire to have one set up for floating line and one set up for sinking line. They are as follows and any recommendations or thoughts are appreciated: My Rod: Cortland 8'6" recommended line 5-6 Dad's Rod: Shakesphere 8'6" recommended line 8 I know dad used his to bass fish on streams and I know he took it fishing in Mexico. Very stout rod. BRBF