Reporting A Dump Site In Ar Waters

[delta_queen]

to quote ADEQ: It IS illegal to dump cattle and solid waste in creeks and streams in AR. I have been given names and numbers for department heads. I will probably continue most of my updates on my blog going forward. When I have a finale, I'll post it here.

You folks are most appreciated.

Zander, that was a good post. thanks for sharing.

[taxidermist]

I still think the cow is a flood victim, its sometimes hard to find livestock that drown, they tend to wash down stream. We had cattle on Buffalo River at Kyles Boys ranch in the 1972,73,74 and never found some of them.

I helped friends pull carcass out of streams that noone claimed, they can wash miles down stream.

Sorry but thats how things happen, livestock die in floods and wash miles and miles even humans have drown and washed miles and mile that happened near Greenfield MO recently.

[taxidermist]

When I said no cruelty exist, i meant that with that cow is may be nothing more than a flood victim. Maybe it died of old age or something that has no cruelty involved. Its too late for a necropsy if its stinking.

It is biodegradable too, it add to nutrients in the water. I am sure if we look closely we can find several in the Missouri waters and even in Bull Shoals lake in the Missouri area.

As for the dumping of junk yes thats been a problem, the place I bought has aditch where a burned mobile home was dozed to and no way could I afford to clean it up, the seller did not have the money to clean it up.

As for the cleanup of things there is a EPA Superfund site that drains right into Table Rock Lake and many of you eat fish from there..

I try to remember the saying

"We all live down steam"

Yep Arkansas has a bad rep on cleaning up junk, its remote in many areas, scrape buyer dont exist in most remote areas. I do see truck loads of junk cars leaving Newton County daily, but its no because of being enviromentally friendly its because they need money to live on.

I agree you should not dump junk, but where do you start? Where do you dump old toilets and sink etc?

Where do you get rid of a carcass from livestock if you have to put it down? Not everyone has a place they can haul it to. Like I said if you check I bet there are many flood victims that are livestock this year!!

[bigredbirdfan]

Dumped items in Arkansas. No way

[delta_queen]

I still think the cow is a flood victim, its sometimes hard to find livestock that drown, they tend to wash down stream. We had cattle on Buffalo River at Kyles Boys ranch in the 1972,73,74 and never found some of them.

I helped friends pull carcass out of streams that noone claimed, they can wash miles down stream.

Sorry but thats how things happen, livestock die in floods and wash miles and miles even humans have drown and washed miles and mile that happened near Greenfield MO recently.

Point taken and I too have seen dead horses and dogs in Sylamore due to the floods this year, but these couple of cows were thrown smack dab on top of a large dump site of moutnains of trash. It would be too uncanny for them to have floated downstream and gently placed on top of the other stuff. (the dump chute from above is well above the flood line)

How they died is not my concern du jour. <struck by lightening?> The obvious way they were added to an active dump site on a beautiful creek is...

Anyhoo, they'll decompose soon enough... The appliances and cars will not.

[chub minnow]

If you are raising cattle, you most likely have a tractor that you could use to bury the dead cows, it's just laziness in action. No one wants to dig a hole the size of a Cadillac, but that's the responsibility you take on when you decide to raise livestock. It's the same mentality that led to the appliances being dumped. There are places to get rid of them, but it's just not convenient so throw 'er in the crick! Again, if you can afford to buy a new washer, you can afford to dispose of the old one. Laziness and ignorance are at the root of this problem. Thankfully, you might be able to correct the latter. You probably won't change the people who are doing it now, but hopefully their children can break out of the cycle of ignorance and understand that they are not only destroying something beautiful, but possibly poisoning themselves or others in the process.

Good work DQ, stick to it.

Taxi: In repsonse to your question on sinks, toilets, etc try the landfill next time you trade toilets. You can always find a place to PROPERLY dispose of waste, it may not be easy but it's doable. Contact the county or waste disposal company in your area. Save up your junk and make one big trip to the :gasp: city and pay :gasp again: to dump it. Like my mom always said "You made that mess, now YOU are going to clean it up!" It's all about personal responsibility, don't push your problem off on someone else because it's hard.

[taxidermist]

If you are raising cattle, you most likely have a tractor that you could use to bury the dead cows, There are places to get rid of them. Not in North Arkansas, you dont have to have a tracotor to raise cattle or horses. I had 24 horses at one time down to 11 now and I dont own a tractor, yea I would like to have one but its a bit of a cost and I dont have the $$$ to buy one. I know many many people that dont have tractors or even have access to tractors and raise cattle and horses.

We dont say Crick here its Creek long e!

Nearest land fill in over 50 miles from me, so that makes it alot longer distances for others. Guess what they dont take anything thats not BIO DEGRADable either.

I know I have been in contact with the three sanitation companies over a building that burned here before I bought the place and noone will rent/lease a dumpster for the clean up, because the refuse is burned, if it was wood then the they would take it.

Thats why you see all the toilets sitting around in peoples yards as flower pots.

Yep I admit Arkansas is way behind, sadly way behind on getting things like this fixed.

Its very very easy for anyone to sit where you are at and judge eveyone else. But its not easy to fix all the problems. Animal carcasses as mentioned no rendering plant to send them to, matter of fact I know many ranchers in Missouri that do the samething. Since branding is not required they readily push cattle bodies into the rivers, espcially up in Dallas County, Dade county even Taney County. You just have not seen them.

Look in Bull Shoals right now you will find bodies cattle, horses and many other small animals.

I expect as much from city slickers saying its easy to get ride of such and such, but when you live in a rural area its not easy when FACILITIES are not available.

Guess you could also say Buzzards, need to eat as do Possums and Coyotes!

Anyone have a millions bucks to invest start a rendering plant in Harrison or Mt Home and run trucks to pickup the animal caracasses.

Yep it also comes down to person rights, why should I pay someone to drive down from springfield to get a carcass? or have to rent a backhoe or hire one? thats $300.00 maybe not alot to people who dont have livestock but it can be the difference between feeding the family, going to work etc. Most of these hill people are poor and work harder than the average person ever thought about! I see by walking thru the cemetaries how young many of them die, logging accidents!! Every family that looses someone down here ends up with a bank fund to help pay for the burial of the people.

Sad but there are bigger fish to fry than a cow carcass, when we have people starving to death in the UNITED STATES, kids going hungry day in day out, a stinking cow carcass seems less important to me.

I defended your rights to bitch about anything you want, but that means I have the same right, I just think there are far worse problems in Arkansas and Missouri than dead cows!!

How about all the twister victims, dont they need the help more?

[Trav]

Errrr

There is a place to dispose of most anything. Dumping it on other peoples property hence making it thier trash is not the answer.

[chub minnow]

Taxi: As I said before, what you do with your trash on your land is your business. When people start dumping their problems off on other peoples property or waterways is when they are in the wrong. Being poor or uneducated does not give you the right to violate someone else's property rights or pollute our streams. It's not really the cows that concern me, it's the appliances and autos.

I'm certainly no city slicker either. Spent my youth in Shell Knob, Newtonia, and Neosho - not exactly the city. My grandfathers farm on Shoal Creek was miles from the nearest dump, yet somehow he managed to raise cattle and a family without creating dump sites on other peoples property or the creek. No matter how you justify or explain it, it is simply WRONG. In my business I frequently dump all sorts of stuff at the landfill that is not bio-degradeable. You just have to pay more. Call Waste Management or some other large waste company and ask.

Finally, no one is more sympathetic to the tornado victims than I am. As I mentioned, that is my home turf and I know many people who lost homes and family members, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. There are problems far more important, but a little awareness of the problem is not bad thing either.

To sum up, YOUR TRASH=YOUR PROBLEM. Now I'm done beating this dead cow.

[FishinCricket]

If you are raising cattle, you most likely have a tractor that you could use to bury the dead cows, There are places to get rid of them. Not in North Arkansas, you dont have to have a tracotor to raise cattle or horses. I had 24 horses at one time down to 11 now and I dont own a tractor, yea I would like to have one but its a bit of a cost and I dont have the $$$ to buy one. I know many many people that dont have tractors or even have access to tractors and raise cattle and horses.

We dont say Crick here its Creek long e!

Nearest land fill in over 50 miles from me, so that makes it alot longer distances for others. Guess what they dont take anything thats not BIO DEGRADable either.

I know I have been in contact with the three sanitation companies over a building that burned here before I bought the place and noone will rent/lease a dumpster for the clean up, because the refuse is burned, if it was wood then the they would take it.

Thats why you see all the toilets sitting around in peoples yards as flower pots.

Yep I admit Arkansas is way behind, sadly way behind on getting things like this fixed.

Its very very easy for anyone to sit where you are at and judge eveyone else. But its not easy to fix all the problems. Animal carcasses as mentioned no rendering plant to send them to, matter of fact I know many ranchers in Missouri that do the samething. Since branding is not required they readily push cattle bodies into the rivers, espcially up in Dallas County, Dade county even Taney County. You just have not seen them.

Look in Bull Shoals right now you will find bodies cattle, horses and many other small animals.

I expect as much from city slickers saying its easy to get ride of such and such, but when you live in a rural area its not easy when FACILITIES are not available.

Guess you could also say Buzzards, need to eat as do Possums and Coyotes!

Anyone have a millions bucks to invest start a rendering plant in Harrison or Mt Home and run trucks to pickup the animal caracasses.

Yep it also comes down to person rights, why should I pay someone to drive down from springfield to get a carcass? or have to rent a backhoe or hire one? thats $300.00 maybe not alot to people who dont have livestock but it can be the difference between feeding the family, going to work etc. Most of these hill people are poor and work harder than the average person ever thought about! I see by walking thru the cemetaries how young many of them die, logging accidents!! Every family that looses someone down here ends up with a bank fund to help pay for the burial of the people.

Sad but there are bigger fish to fry than a cow carcass, when we have people starving to death in the UNITED STATES, kids going hungry day in day out, a stinking cow carcass seems less important to me.

I defended your rights to bitch about anything you want, but that means I have the same right, I just think there are far worse problems in Arkansas and Missouri than dead cows!!

How about all the twister victims, dont they need the help more?

Every action that you take is a step towards a better future or a worse one... One man's choice to make this world a worse place (whatever the reason) doesn't seem detrimental, but if every one man made the same choice this world won't be around much longer..

You are right, there are so many horrible problems in the world.. Why would anyone want to create more problems by dumping their fridge (or their dead cow) in the creek?

Matter of fact, TAXIDERMIST, I gotta truck.. Why don't we load up these dead animals and take them to wherever it is that you think people are starving? Kill two birds with one stone, eh?

Sorry if I sound obnoxious, I am new here and have no right to be.. But I don't understand how you can justify taking the stance that a trash dump anywhere but a LANDFILL is no big deal.. In 55 they didn't think DDT was a big deal either...

Don't tell me you don't have landfills in Arkansas either..