Supreme Court Upholds 2nd Amendment...

[Trav]

Well put Al.

As always you see the rational and fan down the flames of a burning hornets nest and I am the one standing here throwing rocks at it. Haha!

[hoglaw]

taxidermist:

Linguistics were a major part of this decision, even for the majority. Quite a bit of the opinion deals with the placement of the phrase "well regulated militia." Justice Scalia (who wrote the opinion) used linguistics in writing the opinion, essentially dealing with the "placement of commas" as you put it. Four of the nine justices did not disregard the constitution. They interpreted it, just as the majority did, but reached a different result. You disagree with their interpretation only because you like the result the majority reached. If you haven't read and understood the entire opinion, including the dissent, I think you're misguided when you call these people idiots and claim they "vote[d] against the constitution."

Also, they overturned legislation. They looked at a law, decided it didn't jive with their reading of the constitution, and overturned it. How is this not legislating from the bench as you put it? I agree with the result as well, but this is an example of "judicial activism" at its finest. They overturned the will of the people, the voice of the legislature. I can't stand the phrase "judicial activism" because it's conservative spin against any decision they don't like. Here, it worked in our favor. Call a spade a spade and stop decrying judges who "legislate from the bench." If you wanted them to adhere to the laws as passed, the D.C. handgun ban would have been upheld. Four justices who are far more intelligent than you or me read the constitution, its historical context, and the English language in a way that was different from the result you wanted. Can't you accept that there's a little more to it than simply reading and "upholding the constitution?"

[Trav]

Very articulately put HogLaw.

I would say that anything can be used as a precedent. If registered in a court of law.

To seperate the gun lobby from its adversaries might be of a "who is to blame" for the challenge, but it is of no mistake that the reason it even was brought up in front of the supreme court is a liberal motivated cause that conservitives brought to thier attention. You cant get more motivated than conservitives argueing that the liberals are suppressing them in of all places. DC.

Makes ya think a little.

If the decision was reversed, You can count on the fact that they would have gone after the shotguns sold at WalMart! To an anti gun lobby, a gun is a gun. Dont matter if it is a pistol or a rifle. Lets not forget that both JFK and Martin King were shot by hunting rifles. Not hand guns.

As far as the political ramifications between Obama and McCain, ....I browse alot of extremist sights and read alot of blogs conserning politics. This little fishing message board is mild to what I have read. There is alot of talk about shooting Obama before he can win the election. I advocate that if that was to be done it will fuel a democratic win and will hurt the McCain Agenda. Nothing worse than Hillary saying she will win it for Barrak. The sympathy vote will kill us conservitives.

I am not afraid of a Nobama( to steal a JD sentiment) victory. I feel that a McCain victory is our only way to go. And the American people will elect the man with the most experiance. Obama hasnt even been in Iraq, John has been there several times and with a peace agenda. He dont care if we are there a 100 years. All he cares about is that we dont have any more casualties. We have been in Korea for 50 years, Japan 60 years, Germany 60 years. No conflicts. Obama wants to run away from the war on terror. Pull troops out when they arent even being hurt anymore. Have we forgotten that there are people out to get us? I think 9-11 is fading on the general public wich is a grave mistake. Lets not forget that Bill Clinton just over looked the bombings on the african embassy and the USS Cole. And then Bush Jr had to pick up the peices of his neglect! Goerge dont get enough credit. Remember when he had a 88% approval rating after the towers fell?

I think this whole, "Change" propaganda is a bunch of crap. A Prez cant change anything on his own. And lets not put aside that the anti-American sentiment still exists. We will be be in Afghanistan for many decades as well. We might even have to war against Pakistan for they are harboring fugitives. To add Seria and of course the last of the pack, Iran, there is no way Obama can handle all this.

I for one dont care who is appointed to the Supreme court. I feel they are all lawyers and like Thomas Jefferson they will make laws that is best for the American public. They all may have thier loyalties but they all know that they are an entity of thier own and what ever persuasions they have will have effects on us more than the congress and senate combined. At least they dont have lobbyists buying them dinners and vacations. And they arent saying how our hard earned tax dollars are spent.

They are law makers. So to bring my rant back to a full circle. The ruling on the right to bear arms is an american tradtion. Let an invader try to take US property. Not only do we have the mighty military force, but we have citizens that will fight with thier right own arms! I have seen Red Dawn! Its pretty accurate to the way we will respond.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Lets not leave out words like regulated and infringed. Even in the wild west a cowboy had to check his side arm with the sheriff while being in Dodge City or even Tombstone. The priviledge is they couldnt be infringed. Stay out of town if you cant live without you gun. But, those that were residents of those town could keep thier guns. It changes everything. No different than the restrictions we have from state to state. I can carry a gun in missori but not in Illinois. I think it is good that the police have tools with the law. I just think that those tools shouldnt be used against us. Or played as an automatic threat.

Haha

With all that said, I have made my point.

Back to fishing!

I can see what Taxi is trying to say. He might not be the best on a keyboard but the guy has a point. And believe it or not, it is guys like Taxi that are the majority concensus in this country. Not all of us have college degrees! And the majority of the voters in this nation have far less intellegance than I have. And I didnt even finish 2 years of college.

It is a valid point that to debate over an interpetation of the language of 230 years ago cant be too difficult. I have this same issue with my teenage kids who try to negotiate what I said two weeks ago.

We all need to keep in mind that those that dont like the rules will pick apart the obvious in thier attempt to get what they want. Thats why I give the Supreme Court more credit than the Senate! At least they are reading the law and dont have to answer to the lobby that has just paid for thier latest vacation!

Al said it best.

"As long as the SC decision stands (and it should stand a long time--SC decisions pretty much are the final word) it shouldn't put us in danger of the government taking away our guns."

We all should feel assured.

Like Taxi, I feel that the vote was too close for comfort. That is my only beef. As well as his!

I would like to add something concerning Nobama(I love that phrase) versus John McCain that Al did bring to surface. It is true that you cant really have experiance for being prez until you actually become one. It is by far the hardest job in America. That it is all about who you surround yourself with. Thats exactly why I have stood up for Bush. When I was in the Army, Dick was secretary of defense. Colin Powell ran a war! His Dad was Prez! And also was vice Prez for 8 years under Reagon. The best Prez ever since Lincoln! You cant get more support than that!

John McCain will have that support structure. And being the fact we are at war, he will have undeniably strong leadership skills. He was an officer and without question a leader as a POW amongst his peers. I cant see Nobama(still loving that) being able to do anything. Clinton rode the wave of Reagonomics and he did nothing to stop terror. Wich was evident during his time in office. Have we forgot the african bombings or the USS Cole?

He knew the escalation, and it was dumped on Goerge W when it finally hit home with 9-11.

Nobama will be able to do nothing. Inspiration is moot. Sorry Al, But to inspire wont accomplish nothing in this day of age. We need a wartime Prez and Nobama wants to run away from it. We dont need a prez that will stick his head in the sand. We need a guy that will move on with the American Agenda. That is to protect us from attacks. And to let the world know that we will kick thier butt without a thought!

Nobama wants to pull all our troops home so nobody gets hurt. He obviously dont know the mentality of our soldiers. They want to fight! When I was in the military I did! And after I got out and got into contract civilian training of troops they all wanted to fight. The wives might complain but the guys really want to be in the action! So moral isnt an issue! Its the liberal bullshit. We have a volunteer Service. They want to do what they are trained to do.

John McCain knows this fact. He has been in Iraq. He has been in afghanistan. Not once but dozens of times! Nobama cant even handle the guns and drugs in his own district. And he has never been in Iraq yet alone afghanistan. This will be the truth. Why do you think he is avoiding debates with McCain! Its because John knows our wars better than he does.

Also, McCain has been the writer of border security. And Has written passed legislation that control illegal imagrants.

What has Nobama done?

Nothing

[jdmidwest]

I put this in Conservation Issues because it was about the preservation and management of a 2nd Amendment Right that had been endangered the last 20 years. Now, with this decision, hopefully all of the nonsense of the anti-gunners and anti-hunters will go away. We have made great strides in the past 5 years with the expiration of the law that restricted Hi Cap mags and military type weapons as everyday sporting guns. There was a time that a "Black Gun" was almost extinct, now almost all major manufacturers offer one. MO now has a castle law and a concealed carry option. I want to see the import ban lifted and have access to the fine firearms like the H&K rifles again, which are still LE only.

[taxidermist]

Registration of guns is where I become an renegade. I will never reg my guns its no ones business what I have or where I keep them. What kind they are.

I retired from the US ARMY, never been charged with a crime other than traffic violations. thats all thats needed to know. I did the paper work when I bought the darn things, Thats all the gov. needs to know.

I do believe in a reciprocal concealed Carry permit, like our state drivers license is good in all 50 states, so should the Conceal Carry Permit. I also think state laws over step the bounds when it comes to selling guns, Why since I am a citizen in good standing no be able to buy a gun at any legal place in any state? only certain states allow this, thats wrong with the FEDERAL call in system.

By having registration that would turn a lot of us into criminals, because many of us will never.

Even with Justices making laws from the bench.

Well I have felt many times after reading some of the laws they are making, they are ENEMIES OF THE CONSTITUTION.

America has been so dumbed up by the liberal Universities, Right in Springfield MO you have college professors telling students that the Holocaust never happened, that there where no tortures by the Nazis of American POWS in WW II. Yet these Professors are allowed to keep on teaching their lies. This leads to the beliefs the young law makers think they should enforce on all Americans, like gun control.

I bet Obama if he chooses Hillary, will not last 2 years in office. Someone will do the a thing to him. I do really think Hillary and Bill are the most dangerous people to have in the WHITE HOUSE or even near it. Hillary wants the WH badly and I think she and Bill will stop at nothing to get back in there.

[bigredbirdfan]

Hoglaw:

Did the will of the wacko people in DC overstep the Constitution? You see the people cannot legislate by overriding the constitution. I totally disagree with you on this and will admit that I have accoused the courts of doing the very thing you refer to but not in this case.

[gonefishin]

And the majority of the voters in this nation have far less intellegance than I have. And I didnt even finish 2 years of college.

[gonefishin]

It seems really simple to me. The founding fathers added the amendments in their order of importance. The first being freedom of speech the second the right to keep and bear arms. People are supposed to be unencumbered in their right to own and bear firearms to protect their self, property and country against enemies both foreign and domestic. Domestic being criminals, out of control police agencies and corrupt government.

One might notice that there has never been a military coup in this country. This is another of the reasons the founding fathers did not want the right to bear arms to be infringed upon.

It is a very important right and one that should be protected at all costs.

There has never been an instance in the history of the world where a group of people have been talked into giving up their weapons that mass murder did not follow.

[jjtroutbum]

"double tap" on that little quip of over inflated self perspective

It seems really simple to me. The founding fathers added the amendments in their order of importance. The first being freedom of speech the second the right to keep and bear arms. People are supposed to be unencumbered in their right to own and bear firearms to protect their self, property and country against enemies both foreign and domestic. Domestic being criminals, out of control police agencies and corrupt government.

Exactly. Too bad four out of nine supposed experts can't get there heads out of there activist butts and interpret it exactly as the Bill of Rights puts it.

[Trav]

I wish I could find the source, but it has been reported that the majority voter was born before 1960 and has little more than a high school education. The same report said that they(majority voters) also made less than 40k a year.

I have also read, that the top 2% of income earners vote the least but will give the most money to a campaign. So go figure.