Artic Ice

[Chief Grey Bear]

I don't have time to hunt down the nut job's positions and how much money they have given to Obama.

But you have plenty of time to continually spead lies, and factless babble?

FOR ALL YOU PAID REPUBLICAN DEFENDERS HERE...CHEW ON THESE MCCAIN FACT-VERIFIABLE RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET: 1. ADULTERER. 2. ' KEATING 5 ---TOOK $112,000.00. FROM BANK SWINDLER CHARLES KEATING-AND HAD TO REIMBURSE KEATING FOR 9 PAID VACATIONS WITH THE KEATINGS...IN THE BAHAMAS--AS WELL AS THE $112,000.00; IF HE WANTED TO STAY IN THE SENATE. 3. A BRILLIANT STUDENT ; WHO GRADUATED 894th IN HIS NAVAL ACADEMY CLASS OF 899. 4. HE WAS SUCH A ' GREAT ' STUDENT--THAT THEY MADE HIM A PILOT--AND HE CRASHED / LOST 5 ----$30,000,000.00 JET FIGHTERS IN 7 YEARS...INCLUDING THE ONE THAT MADE HIM A POW. 5. HE WAS AN ENEMY ' COLLABORATOR ' --THEY NICKNAMED HIM ' SONG BIRD '--FOR ' SPILLING HIS GUTS ' ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO KNOW. 6. STEERED THE SENATE TO PERMANENTLY ' CLASSIFY ' ALL OF HIS POW FILES AND RECORDS...AS WELL AS MIA FILES....SO YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE THEM...HE COULD SIGN ' SENATE FORM # 180 '- -TO RELEASE THOSE FILES / RECORDS....BUT DON ' T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!

I saw this on the net and thought you may like it.

[bigredbirdfan]

But you have plenty of time to continually spead lies, and factless babble?

FOR ALL YOU PAID REPUBLICAN DEFENDERS HERE...CHEW ON THESE MCCAIN FACT-VERIFIABLE RIGHT HERE ON THE INTERNET: 1. ADULTERER. 2. ' KEATING 5 ---TOOK $112,000.00. FROM BANK SWINDLER CHARLES KEATING-AND HAD TO REIMBURSE KEATING FOR 9 PAID VACATIONS WITH THE KEATINGS...IN THE BAHAMAS--AS WELL AS THE $112,000.00; IF HE WANTED TO STAY IN THE SENATE. 3. A BRILLIANT STUDENT ; WHO GRADUATED 894th IN HIS NAVAL ACADEMY CLASS OF 899. 4. HE WAS SUCH A ' GREAT ' STUDENT--THAT THEY MADE HIM A PILOT--AND HE CRASHED / LOST 5 ----$30,000,000.00 JET FIGHTERS IN 7 YEARS...INCLUDING THE ONE THAT MADE HIM A POW. 5. HE WAS AN ENEMY ' COLLABORATOR ' --THEY NICKNAMED HIM ' SONG BIRD '--FOR ' SPILLING HIS GUTS ' ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO KNOW. 6. STEERED THE SENATE TO PERMANENTLY ' CLASSIFY ' ALL OF HIS POW FILES AND RECORDS...AS WELL AS MIA FILES....SO YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE THEM...HE COULD SIGN ' SENATE FORM # 180 '- -TO RELEASE THOSE FILES / RECORDS....BUT DON ' T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!

I saw this on the net and thought you may like it.

Congratulations. You win the award for information in the wrong thread. Yippie. And your source for this crap smearing a war hero?

[Chief Grey Bear]

Congratulations. You win the award for information in the wrong thread. Yippie. And your source for this crap smearing a war hero?

Same babble different day. This is a classic example of why no one attempts to debate with you.

As for sources, are you disputing the validity of what the person wrote?

[Chief Grey Bear]

I work in the coal business. How about 350 trains a day coming out of the coal mines in the west a DAY. Its phenomenal.

I thought you were a lawn engineer? I don't know what you do in the coal biz but, you are aware that there are only two railroads that provide service to the Powder River Coal Basin? You do know which two they are? You are aware that of those two they only average in the neighborhood of 45 to 50 trains a day each? That is loaded trains. Therefore there is only about 100 loaded (on a good day) trains aday coming from Wyoming?

[bigredbirdfan]

Same babble different day. This is a classic example of why no one attempts to debate with you.

As for sources, are you disputing the validity of what the person wrote?

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Seems a reminder is in order .

[bigredbirdfan]

The most comprehensive summary of past global temperature information all in one place I have found.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/temperature.html

[Mark]

Just ask yourselves one question: What if we are destroying the planet for future generations and we do nothing?

[sparkleminnow]

Just ask yourselves one question: What if we are destroying the planet for future generations and we do nothing?

"Chicken Little" thought he had to warn everyone of impending doom, too....

[Al Agnew]

Anybody see the PBS Frontline special on global warming the other night? Best program I've ever seen on what we can, could, might maybe do about it. The real upshot was...it's going to be very difficult to do anything really meaningful without changing a whole lot of things about our lifestyles, which probably ain't gonna happen.

I had already pretty much decided that. The American people, and the people in developing countries, just aren't going to be willing to do everything it would take to reduce carbon emissions 75-80% by 2050. And some of the technologies that are supposed to help just aren't nearly as ready to do so as we'd like to think.

But while some may think it's Chicken Little to worry about it, I still say it all ties in with our energy and economic security. Reduce our dependence upon fossil fuels and you reduce CO2 emissions. Note that I didn't say "reduce our dependence upon foreign oil", which is still pretty much of a pipe dream even if the Republicans win and we drill baby drill. Just because some don't think global warming is real doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing everything we can to wean ourselves off fossil fuels. There are so many other good reasons to do so that it is just plain stupid not to do all we can to make it happen as soon as possible.

One unfortunate consequence of our current economic woes is that it makes it more difficult to get started doing anything about it. For one thing, the dropping price of oil, and thus gasoline, means there isn't as much pressure to develop more energy efficient vehicles--don't get me wrong, I'm not too sorry about cheaper gas. And, the economy tanking means there just isn't going to be the money available to invest in developing technologies.

[sparkleminnow]

And some of the technologies that are supposed to help just aren't nearly as ready to do so as we'd like to think.

But while some may think it's Chicken Little to worry about it, I still say it all ties in with our energy and economic security. Reduce our dependence upon fossil fuels and you reduce CO2 emissions. Note that I didn't say "reduce our dependence upon foreign oil",

You just hit the nail on the head, Al!! The technologies are not ready!! BUT, the GW advocates want to tax THIS COUNTRY, right now (through the Kyto Treaty, that we won't sign) for any failure to make a nearly instantaneous switch to those said technologies that are NOT YET READY!! Kinda like a Kangaroo Court! Worse, is the attitude of the "Do as we prescribe...or else, types."

The "Chicken Little" attitude is the one where people who believe in GW want to do something...anything...before we know what it is, EXACTLY, that's going on. The Media wanted to put forth that the Artic was melting from GW, but there are scientists that found the undersea volcanic activity was causing the melting. Their words, not mine! (Yes, they went to investigate, as no GW model could account for the excessive melting in that region.)

Look, here's a neat little scenario...wasn't it the Eco Libs, in the 60's, and 70's, that wanted nuclear power as an alternative to fossil fuels. They got what they asked for. Then came 3-Mile Island, and they were the very same ones decrying nuclear power as too dangerous! ???????? They were also the ones who wanted an end to flourocarbon propellants for hair spray(etc), ...to protect the ozone... and got it. The alternative used was...you guessed it...Co2 as the replacement. Wellll...along comes the same crowd NOW saying that we need to do away with that as well. And, there are more examples..however, the point being, they get what they want, and then they don't want what they get!!! I suspect that if they get their windmills, as they have suggested, they are going to be the very same people who decry them as dangerous!! I'm NOT making this up, as there are already those who have been saying that the strobing sunlight reflected off the blades, in the evening, makes them sick. And, there are people who think they are hazardous to birds. There are those who complain about the noise, and reduced property value.... So, how can we win?!?! Give them what they want, you lose, don't give them what they want...WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!