The Oil Spill, Who Is Really At Fault?

[Amish Bill]

No they're not but as I said earlier you come up with an alternative fuel thats cost effective and I don't have to spend thousands retrofitting my SUV and I'm in. While we're clarifieng what do you want to use? I havn't claimed to know the answer, I'm saying all of you that want alternative fuels need to come up with something. If you fish from a boat, drive a car, or just about anything else your using "the resources I proudly use"...So it seems as if your dependant too! Just not willing to admit it.

[Outside Bend]

I can afford my lifestyle just fine thank you. The question is how much more in taxes do I have to pay because some tree hugger thinks drilling for oil isn't for him. You want to live in a cave go ahead just don't force it on me. While your in your cave what are you using for heat and cooking, can't burn firewood, thats bad for the environment ya know!

I think the better question is "Did you skip that day in high school economics?"

There's lots of factors that effect the price of oil, but one of the biggest is simple supply-and-demand. When it's prevalent and easy to get out of the ground, and there aren't all that many people using it, it's cheap. When we've burned through all that prevalent, easy to access oil, and there's a billion people in China, a billion people in India, and developing nations like Brazil, Mexico, and others all vying for the resource, prices inherently increase.

No they're not but as I said earlier you come up with an alternative fuel thats cost effective and I don't have to spend thousands retrofitting my SUV and I'm in.

The technology is still in an early stage of development. As designs improve and production increases, costs will be reduced. Were the first automobiles cheaper than owning a horse?

I depend on fossil fuels just the same as anyone, but I also try to use as little as possible- not only because it's cheaper, but because I'm conscious of the environmental impacts of fossil fuels- be they smog, acid rain, mountaintop removal in Appalachia, environmental degradation in Pennsylvania, Wyoming, and Texas, and the human cost- dead drillers in the Gulf, dead miners in West Virginia.

[jdmidwest]

Outside Bend, Farm subsidies were created a long time ago to insure that farmers could make a living while they produce the food we consume at a reasonable price. Most would have found another way of living as farming is a dirty, hot, nasty, hands on way of making a living. And, if the market is not good that year, they would end up in the hole. Corn uses up alot of resources out of the soil, you can not continue to grow corn year after year and expect much of a yield. You have to rotate your crops with other products like soybeans to maintain soil quality. The subsidies insure that our food source and market prices stay stable, unlike the petroleum industry which is allowed to fluctuate wildly and affect us in the pocketbook for a staple that we all need to survive.

Government mandated that we produce Ethanol and keep a certain percentage of it in our fuel unless the price of unleaded gas dropped below a certain dollar amount. They gave out grants and ramped up production without taking in the account that it gives you less fuel mileage, it takes alot of water, it depletes a food source, and it does not really help out the ecology.

[flytyer57]

No they're not but as I said earlier you come up with an alternative fuel thats cost effective and I don't have to spend thousands retrofitting my SUV and I'm in. While we're clarifieng what do you want to use? I havn't claimed to know the answer, I'm saying all of you that want alternative fuels need to come up with something. If you fish from a boat, drive a car, or just about anything else your using "the resources I proudly use"...So it seems as if your dependant too! Just not willing to admit it.

I guess if I weren't just a lowly machinist and instead were a physicist or scientist of some sort, I would work on coming up with alternative fuels.

We are all dependent on oil, and we admit it. We are just somewhat powerless to come up with other means.

And retrofitting an old gas guzzeler is not what I would be worried about. I wouldn't be so selfish as to not want to leave behind a better world for my children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren...

[Amish Bill]

OK I'm done with this, It's getting off the subject, I'm going back to the fishing forum. It's fine to try and fix this problem by trying to use less or find an alternative source as I do. But theres a handfull of people in this country who are making a fortune off of global warming oh wait its global climate change now. They've convinced the masses it's our fault while they're jetting around the world collecting money and nobel prizes. I don't buy into the whole thing, parts of it yes, but not all. We use oil and coal. We can't use nuclear because of an accident what 40 years ago and it's to expensive to build? I'm betting technology has gotten better since then. I feel for those folks in the south and yes everything that can be done should be to help them, but to quit drilling isn't the answer when we are this dependant on oil. I'm a driver by trade so I am against the stop drilling idea, I guess thats another lifestyle thing. I said SUV and drill so I guess I'm a selfish nut that doesn't care for my children or grandcildren. By the way it's BP, Haliburton, and Washingtons fault!!

[taxidermist]

Ok if we the USA dont take the oil from the GULF, China, and even Vietnam Russia and other "enemy countries are already on producing wells in the gulf.

We need to go with nuclear power now and get the oil fired plants off line, then we can work on the coal fired.

Greenies dont want NUKE, Dont want Wind, Dont want Coal, Dont want oil.

But every darn one of them, has cell phones, computers and use something that was delivered by fuel pumped out of the ground. They were fake leathers made from oil.. Geez talk about two-faced idiots.

Whoa let me edit this! Everything you use to fish with has been delivered by fuel oil, your rods are made from that same oil, the line you use wiether it be fly, leader or spinning. its all oil products.

How much of the economy depends on oil? Answer that!!!

Here I will 100%, your job, your food will not exist without fuel.

[Outside Bend]

So I assume you guys have already talked to your congresspeople, and let them know you'd be alright with a nuke plant a half mile upwind of your house, right?

[flytyer57]

How much of the economy depends on oil? Answer that!!!

Here I will 100%, your job, your food will not exist without fuel.

You can have my job, I don't like working anyway.

I can trap, fish, hunt and live off the land.

Don't need fuel except wood for fire. My ancestors did it for a very long time, and so can I.

[jdmidwest]

You can have my job, I don't like working anyway.

I can trap, fish, hunt and live off the land.

Don't need fuel except wood for fire. My ancestors did it for a very long time, and so can I.

How are you going to continue posting on the internet??? Where do you think all of the plastic comes from in that computer you are banging on? Petroleum.

[flytyer57]

How are you going to continue posting on the internet??? Where do you think all of the plastic comes from in that computer you are banging on? Petroleum.

Internet?

I don't need no stinking internet.