Stop The Closure Petition

[troutfiend1985]

I never said that I thought that hatcheries were welfare for fisherman. Thats what I heard from someone else. We need to realize most people in this country do not fish. An even greater number do not trout fish. Now you can make juvenile smart butt remarks about what I posted or maybe you can do something constructive. I'm not the one advocating cutting any outdoor recreation spending. Do you belong to Trout Unlimited or any other group that supports Trout fishing? Have you contacted your senators or representatives? So many times posting on a forum is lot easier than actually doing some thing constructive.

Whew. Getting hot here. Look, I know my comment came out only at welfare but when I was writing it I was generally meaning the fact that every time we have a darn conservation issue lately we always end up with references to irrelevant issues/topics that have no material bearing on issue we started with namely politics on the federal level that have no bearing on conservation issues. I think you can loop social security and all other federal topics in this as well, and that wasn't too far of a stretch when reading my statement that the politics thing on here is old, although these are the first few times I've expressed that feeling.

Member of TU? No. Last time I checked it wasn't a requirement to be politically active, although they do good things for trout fishing and I like a lot of what they do. Contacted my local representative? Not about this issue yet but I have been in touch with him on other issues within the last month. Yet again, none of this is relevant besides it being an ad hominem attack and misdirecting another issue. I'm going to contact my rep, but I don't think this was a topic which was brought up with a purpose of getting a KS resident, who does not actively tailwaters to contact their representative. But guess what, I'm going to contact my rep anyways because I love our outdoors and hope that one day I can get back down to the white and fish it again(only been once). I would really think that the people you want to rally around are those who would be most affected; guides, local fisherman, hotels and marinas. Contacted any of those people lately, especially the local hotels in these areas and maybe BRANSON BUSINESSES AND TELL THEM HOW THIS COULD IMPACT TOURISM? Contacted any newspapers? Found any numbers on how much money is spent in Arkansas and MO for trout fishing? See, these are relevant because they materially affect this issue by showing how these cutbacks could affect local business and local tourism to these areas.

Get mad at me, call me a smartass and a juvenile, and reference that I'm lazy. That's fine I don't really care because none of those apply outside of maybe being a smartass. If you think that I was referencing you particularly in that post then I'm sorry, it was aimed at more of a general theme lately, specifically those who want to actively bring up irrelevant political issues. I can understand how politics are relevant in some ways to this forum, the mountain lions, the didymo situation and this topic. However the more we can discuss these specific topics the less you will find Lilley itching to shut it down.

[drew03cmc]

I did just write my representative, but if she looks at my voting record, she won't respond. I voted for the other guys

[flytyer57]

I did just write my representative, but if she looks at my voting record, she won't respond. I voted for the other guys

Doesn't matter if you voted for the other guy. They still represent you and your input should go a long way.

Notice the word "should."

[drew03cmc]

Yeah...you've never talked to this lady...

[flytyer57]

Ok. I just signed the petition. Not sure if it will do any good, but what harm can come from it other than my e-mail inbox being flooded with crap from the political parties.

[drew03cmc]

I didn't sign the petition, but I contacted Lynn Jenkins trying to persuade her to vote against the closures for all sportsmen.

[Sam]

I'm not signing any petition because I don't think they do any good.

Also, I'm pretty much undecided when it comes to the subject of trout in the Ozarks. They don't belong here, they don't reproduce (generally) here, and my enthusiasm is directed toward native fish species. It's not that I don't like to trout-fish, but I've camped at 11,000 feet in the High Sierras and caught native golden trout, I've caught cutthroats and brookies out of western mountain streams, lake trout in Montana, and I've caught big vigorous rainbows, full of eggs, out of the Snake River. Here, I don't even buy a trout license - it's just not the same.

On the other hand, I HATE it when people attack something just because it's not their thing. If you don't like guns lets outlaw guns, if you don't smoke let's outlaw smoking, if you don't like car racing let's put a stop to it, etc., etc. That's not right, and I know there are a lot of people who are really into trout fishing here. More power to 'em!

With government budgets so out of control and so many painful cuts needing to be made, I'm thinking there must be some way to have trout fishing survive in the Ozarks on a private basis for those who are into it.

[stlfisher]

I get the different view points, but if you believe in something then you do need to speak up. In the end it may not change anything and you may not feel as if you have been heard, but there is a chance you might. If you keep silent you have zero chance to influence change.

[flytyer57]

I'm not signing any petition because I don't think they do any good.

Also, I'm pretty much undecided when it comes to the subject of trout in the Ozarks. They don't belong here, they don't reproduce (generally) here, and my enthusiasm is directed toward native fish species. It's not that I don't like to trout-fish, but I've camped at 11,000 feet in the High Sierras and caught native golden trout, I've caught cutthroats and brookies out of western mountain streams, lake trout in Montana, and I've caught big vigorous rainbows, full of eggs, out of the Snake River. Here, I don't even buy a trout license - it's just not the same.

On the other hand, I HATE it when people attack something just because it's not their thing. If you don't like guns lets outlaw guns, if you don't smoke let's outlaw smoking, if you don't like car racing let's put a stop to it, etc., etc. That's not right, and I know there are a lot of people who are really into trout fishing here. More power to 'em!

With government budgets so out of control and so many painful cuts needing to be made, I'm thinking there must be some way to have trout fishing survive in the Ozarks on a private basis for those who are into it.

I don't think they do any good either, but like I said earlier, what harm can come from it other than my inbox being overloaded with crap e-mails from poiticians.

The one thing about the trout fisheries below these dams is that if there is no trout put in the water, whether they reproduce or not, these rivers below the dams would be wasted water. The water is too cold for just about any other species to survive.

I do not want to see the privatization of these hatcheries. It can only lead to bad news for those of us who do partake in the fishery.

[drew03cmc]

I'm not signing any petition because I don't think they do any good.

Also, I'm pretty much undecided when it comes to the subject of trout in the Ozarks. They don't belong here, they don't reproduce (generally) here, and my enthusiasm is directed toward native fish species. It's not that I don't like to trout-fish, but I've camped at 11,000 feet in the High Sierras and caught native golden trout, I've caught cutthroats and brookies out of western mountain streams, lake trout in Montana, and I've caught big vigorous rainbows, full of eggs, out of the Snake River. Here, I don't even buy a trout license - it's just not the same.

On the other hand, I HATE it when people attack something just because it's not their thing. If you don't like guns lets outlaw guns, if you don't smoke let's outlaw smoking, if you don't like car racing let's put a stop to it, etc., etc. That's not right, and I know there are a lot of people who are really into trout fishing here. More power to 'em!

With government budgets so out of control and so many painful cuts needing to be made, I'm thinking there must be some way to have trout fishing survive in the Ozarks on a private basis for those who are into it.

Not to nitpick, but those brookies aren't native in the mountains in the west and rainbows aren't native to the Snake. They are just like rainbows in Missouri. They don't belong, but are here, so we have to deal with them.