End Of Public Ownership Below City Park

[Andrew324]

Growing up in Missouri I was always taught to respect people's private land.

In "A Paddler's Guide to Missouri" it lists Crane Creek as a possible float, but they list the first access point at Hwy CC, which is lower than all the public fishing accesses. They list the section from 413 to CC as not recommended for due to low water. Getting a canoe through all that in regular water is a joke, and no serious paddler would do it, let alone an angler trying to make a point.

There is enough public access on Crane to satisfy any angler I think. Although I never fish the park hardly, I do think it would beneficial for the landowner to get a little purple paint.

On a separate note, the James River Basin Partnership will be organizing another cleanup of Crane Creek sometime in the next coming months, to get all those tires out and stuff. I will post on here when I know more details, I exchanged info with a few guys when I was on lower Crane this weekend.

[Buzz]

I don't own a GPS, but thanks for the coordinates. In the meantime I'll just have to fish until I'm tired or until I see a NO TRESPASS sign.

[Chief Grey Bear]

(58) Waters of the state: All rivers, streams, lakes, and other bodies of surface water lying within or forming a part of the boundaries of the state which are not entirely confined and located completely upon lands owned or leased by a single person or by two (2) or more persons jointly or as tenants in common or by corporate shareholders, and including waters of the United States lying within the state. Waters of the state will include any waters which have been stocked by the state or which are subject to movement of fishes to and from waters of the state. 2010. *Original authority: 252.240, RSMo 1972, amended 1984.

ROBIN CARNAHAN (8/31/09) CODE OF STATE REGULATIONS 5

Secretary of State

Looks like Crane is wide open. Have a ball!

[mic]

Ouch Chief, that was a classic! I don't beleive in trespassing either, but if there isn't any signs or anything else to tell me otherwise just how am I suppose to know? Forget about GPS, most guys I know wouldn't check that.

I would agree. I do not want to trespass because I believe farmers and landowners are less likely to give permission at a latter date. However, if the landowner is willing to walk to the stream side with a sidearm, why are they not willing to walkout with a can of purple spray paint. Let me know where your line is and I'll respect your wishes.

[mic]

(58) Waters of the state: All rivers, streams, lakes, and other bodies of surface water lying within or forming a part of the boundaries of the state which are not entirely confined and located completely upon lands owned or leased by a single person or by two (2) or more persons jointly or as tenants in common or by corporate shareholders, and including waters of the United States lying within the state. Waters of the state will include any waters which have been stocked by the state or which are subject to movement of fishes to and from waters of the state. 2010. *Original authority: 252.240, RSMo 1972, amended 1984.

ROBIN CARNAHAN (8/31/09) CODE OF STATE REGULATIONS 5

Secretary of State

Looks like Crane is wide open. Have a ball!

Is there a lawyer in the house...what the he!! does that mean.

[parachiteadams39]

If I was out of line with Trout Bum I apologize to him and to everyone else on this string. My intent was to jovially disagree with him. I did make a small joke about his picking up trash -- while also sincerely thanking him for it.

If my treatment of Troutbum was inappropriate well, at least someone was there to bring the tone of the discourse down even lower by calling me an insulting name!

It was refreshing to see trespassing acknowledged as a crime, since some seem not to think it is. That said I was probably out of line in my accusation since opinions vary on this definition. My opinion is that he was trespassing, but I should have couched my language more carefully.

As for the information from the Secretary of State, that is merely a definition of the term "State Waters" for use in legal relationships with other states and does not, nor does it intend, to address the issue of legal access. The issue of legal access revolves around navigability. On that issue I think Andrew 324 pretty much hit it out of the park.

[Chief Grey Bear]

It is actually from the Wildlife Code put out by the MDC. And I guess you looked over part pertaining stocked fish. Which by the is how trout got there. It has nothing to do with other states.

BTW...you could have labled as a Jayhawk fan.

[parachiteadams39]

It is actually from the Wildlife Code put out by the MDC. And I guess you looked over part pertaining stocked fish. Which by the is how trout got there. It has nothing to do with other states.

BTW...you could have labled as a Jayhawk fan.

So now Crane Creek is a "stocked" creek?

Not quite sure what this means:

"BTW...you could have labled as a Jayhawk fan."

Or how it's relevant to the conversation.

[mic]

BTW...you could have labled as a Jayhawk fan.

Steady Chief, we will have to open a new thread for that kind of talk...

GO KU

[Chief Grey Bear]

So now Crane Creek is a "stocked" creek?

Not quite sure what this means:

"BTW...you could have labled as a Jayhawk fan."

Or how it's relevant to the conversation.

I thought you knew trout were not native to this state. My mistake.

Steady Chief, we will have to open a new thread for that kind of talk...

GO KU

I figured as much, but from you? I used to admire you.