Perfection Loop Too Fly Knot...yes/no?

[esox niger]

Very interesting. I didn't realize there were that many grassies outside of lakes where they have been stocked.

I've used the perfection loop for decades for leader to tippet, but never for the terminal end.

Couple of questions, what brand/model is your yak and how do you like the Konic?

yes the grass carp are all over the missouri...and meramec rivers here in the stl.... probably the mississippi too.

Good Question... the yak is an Ocean Kayak....(i think thats the brand) 13 ft er, forget the name from, west marine. When i got it it was bright yellow...

I love the konic! I've always fished "trash" reels, 40$ and under...I got a new 3wt some time back and needed a reel, i went with the konic for the 3 weight and i also got an orvis batenkill barstock for my 8 weight. took the 3 out for some gill action but saw huge grassys feeding and ended up hooking one....couldnt believe how nice the drag was, almost landed the carp on 5x ...had to trade in the batenkill barstock for the konic. store owner thought i was nuts...."you want that for a drag"...he dumps drag out on counter...".the body is not machined!!" he says . well, when all is said and done I still go with the konic! for the money....i'd get another for my 5wt if I made any money at all.

what i notice is that with alot of reels you need to break surface tension on the drag and then it feeds out easier than the preasure it broke free at. the konic breaks free at the same pressure it feeds out at and is therefore super smooth. for me thats helpfull in landing tough fish. ( if that makes any sense at all)

[Wayne SW/MO]

what i notice is that with alot of reels you need to break surface tension on the drag and then it feeds out easier than the preasure it broke free at. the konic breaks free at the same pressure it feeds out at and is therefore super smooth. for me thats helpfull in landing tough fish. ( if that makes any sense at all)

I know exactly what you mean. I haven't caught that many carp on the fly, but they do remind me of steelhead, just not quite as fast, and the drag has to come on line immediately when you hook a steely or you're done generally.

[esox niger]

Davin at http://www.fish-bones.com/ gave me a reply as to why he likes the no slip mono loop and how to tie it so it doesn't slip...I'm very very jealous of his location on the planet!

Hi Christopher, Nice video. You know, I’ve never tried the perfection loop to attach my fly. I’ll give it a shot, though, just to see.

As for the non-slip loop, here are the things I know about it. I’ve used it exclusively for my flouro bite tippets while tarpon fishing–40, 60, and 80 pound–and have never had it slip or work loose. I’ve caught 90-100 pound tarpon on it, no worries. For these heavier lines you only need a 2-3 turn knot, whereas the lighter bonefish leaders (say 10-16 pound) need 5 turns to be darn near 100%. (I’ve personally tested in on my Boga-Grip.) The knot is straight, small, VERY easy to tie (I can retie and still keep my eye on the fish, I can retie while walking down the beach chasing fish, etc), and very, very strong. The key is you MUST leave a short tag because the line will work back into the knot on a heavy fish. This is because it’s almost impossible to fully seat the knot when you first tie it. But, no worries; leave a 1/8″ tag and you’re good. The fact that the knot is straight and not kicked to one side like the perfection loop can be is key for fishing tarpon. A bend or kink anywhere in the leader system can cause the fly to ride funny, and then the tarpon won’t eat it.

Finally, unless I really need the fly to sink or I’m fishing for tarpon or snook, I never use flouro. It’s stiff, brittle, sinks (which is bad for bonefish over turtle grass) and knots can be weird with it. Also, due to the fact that it’s round, it can’t be invisible to the fish. I find the suppleness of mono gives my flies more life and gets more bites (at least for bone) than flouro. However, if I’m fishing somewhere with deeper water and sandy bottom, I will switch to flouro because it will help the fly sink faster and get down to the fish. I can definitely see where it would be an advantage in river with flowing water and bottom-feeding fish.

Anyways, nice site and thanks for touching base. Always good to hear from another hardcore fly-guy. (Love the pic of the opened hook… I’ve seen those a time or two.)

Tight lines,

Davin

[Jim Elam]

Perfection loop at the terminal connection is excellent, just hard for me to tie. Great knot for carp IMO

[Jim Elam]

Thanks for the video, very helpful.