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I just found out I am going to be staying at Pointe Royale next weekend. I am starting to tye up some flies for the weekend. I have been intrigued reading about the PMS on here in the past. I just made my first attempt to tye one up. Here are a few questions for Leonard or whoever else is knowledgeable in such matters

I don't have any 200R hooks in size 6. I just tied one up on a 6 wooly bugger hook. One difference I see besides being heavier wire than the 200R is the turned down eye. Is the straight eye of the 200R critical or is it the curve shank that makes the 200R the hook of choice? Closest place to buy hooks is BPS in Broken Arrow which is a 30 min drive. Trying to decide if I need to run out tonight to buy hooks.

Do you tie yours unweighted or do you wrap with lead wire. If unweighted, do you fish with split shot or are you fishing it shallow in the water column?

I read about having a 'bead' of super glue when you tie in the PS strip. Is this a bead all along the hook shank so that the hide side of the PS strip gets glued to the entire length of the shank?

Is it worth night fishing at point Royale or is the outlets area the main place to night fish?

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I don't have any 200R hooks in size 6. I just tied one up on a 6 wooly bugger hook. One difference I see besides being heavier wire than the 200R is the turned down eye. Is the straight eye of the 200R critical or is it the curve shank that makes the 200R the hook of choice? Closest place to buy hooks is BPS in Broken Arrow which is a 30 min drive. Trying to decide if I need to run out tonight to buy hooks.

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I like the 200Rs.... 1) is the straight eye. 2) is that slight bend in the middle. 3). the point of the hook sets lower the other hooks and I think it does better as far as hook-ups

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Do you tie yours unweighted or do you wrap with lead wire. If unweighted, do you fish with split shot or are you fishing it shallow in the water column?

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I tye them with beads and I tye them unweighted... I dont weight them with lead.. so I dont loose any on the bottom... I do tye a few heavy that I fish fast high water.

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I read about having a 'bead' of super glue when you tie in the PS strip. Is this a bead all along the hook shank so that the hide side of the PS strip gets glued to the entire length of the shank?

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The super glue is if you want to.... it just makes the fly itself a little more durable.. the down side is if you get in the pine squirrel.. it makes a nasty mess..

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Is it worth night fishing at point Royale or is the outlets area the main place to night fish?

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YES....YES... YES...YES!!!!!

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I haven't fished Pointe Royale at night this year, but it has always been worthwhile in the past. You should have the place to yourself.

On the PMS, go to Lilley's Landing fly shop. It's in the office. Everything you need to tie PMS and more can be found there. If a fly is mentioned on this forum, I'll bet you can find the materials there. The PMS's in the shop have a tungsten bead, but for night fishing I prefer to tie mine without any weight.

While you are Lilley's, if you don't find them on your own, ask them where the flies are that Leonard ties. Same goes for the other flies tied locally, there at Lilley's and the other fly shops around Branson/Springfield. You'll get into the patterns that work well on Taneycomo.

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I can attest that they do work well in a size 10 down hook 3xlong streamer hook, weighted with lead wire, no super glue, and without palmering the maribou (palmering made it too bush on the smaller hook). Even weighted they don't go all the way down so you won't loose them. I have started straightening out the eye with my vice for this fly - just because I like the straight eye and I didn't want to go buy new hooks...but if you find yourself at a fly shop, I realy think I prefer straight eyes for steamers.

This is my configuration of the fly for the current river, but I did fish them at Taney and you will catch fish with it. Probably a little small for down there in general, and probably not the killer for night time or for bigger browns.

It's a terrific fly Leonard. It's almost knocked down the mohair leech as my favorite streamer...almost.

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Thanks for all the feedback.

Some more questions

Is the night fishing usually good starting right after sundown or do you have to wait a few hours?

Can you hear the horn from Pointe Royale in case they start up the dam?

I assume you use some kind of headlamp for tying on flies at night, but make sure you don't shine it in the direction you are fishing. Is this correct?

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Here is my first attempt at the PMS. I don't think it turned out to bad. What does everyone think? Does it look alright?

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"There will be days when the fishing is better than one's most optimistic forecast, others when it is far worse. Either is a gain over just staying home."

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