Justin Spencer Posted October 30, 2011 Author Posted October 30, 2011 No doubt some trout probably make their way here from Cloud 9 ranch, probably not from Rockbridge however, they'd have to go down about 30 miles into the lake and then come back up over the dam at Dawt on the North Fork side. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Chief Grey Bear Posted October 30, 2011 Posted October 30, 2011 I checked the stocking rate for Cloud 9. They are dumping a serious amount of trout in that stream. I wouldn't think there would be much forage left in that section for all those hungry teenage trout. But I don't know what the catch rate per day is either. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Justin Spencer Posted October 30, 2011 Author Posted October 30, 2011 More otters in that creek than any I have seen also, like most stockers they get caught pretty quick, and those that don't probably become otter food. Cloud 9 fills up with over 600 RV's on the holidays so the fishing pressure is pretty high. I personally don't care if some make it to the North Fork might add some good genes to the population. Places like Crane Creek could probably use a boost from a little different strain to help strenghen their gene pool. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Outside Bend Posted October 30, 2011 Posted October 30, 2011 More otters in that creek than any I have seen also, like most stockers they get caught pretty quick, and those that don't probably become otter food. Cloud 9 fills up with over 600 RV's on the holidays so the fishing pressure is pretty high. I personally don't care if some make it to the North Fork might add some good genes to the population. Places like Crane Creek could probably use a boost from a little different strain to help strenghen their gene pool. Maybe THAT'S why the fish on Crane typically run 6-10"...they need an injection of hybrid vigor From what I've read, hatchery fish do pretty poorly in competition with wild fish in natural settings- they're adapted to concrete walls and being fed a couple times a day, not capturing natural foods themselves while avoiding predators. And I'm not sure what strain of rainbow Cloud 9 stocks, but they may not even spawn the same time of year as the wild NFOW fish. <{{{><
Justin Spencer Posted October 30, 2011 Author Posted October 30, 2011 Cloud 9 stocks strictly McCloud's. It used to be called McCloud 9, but over time they dropped the Mc. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Chief Grey Bear Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 More otters in that creek than any I have seen also, like most stockers they get caught pretty quick, and those that don't probably become otter food. Cloud 9 fills up with over 600 RV's on the holidays so the fishing pressure is pretty high. I personally don't care if some make it to the North Fork might add some good genes to the population. Places like Crane Creek could probably use a boost from a little different strain to help strenghen their gene pool. I don't doubt any of that. But I bet one would be surpised at the number that migrate out of there. Maybe THAT'S why the fish on Crane typically run 6-10"...they need an injection of hybrid vigor I have caught quite a few in the 12+ inch range. Huge??? Not by any standard. But for the size of the creek, until you get down to the lower end, a very respectable fish. From what I've read, hatchery fish do pretty poorly in competition with wild fish in natural settings- they're adapted to concrete walls and being fed a couple times a day, not capturing natural foods themselves while avoiding predators. That would kinda go without saying, wouldn't it??? Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Outside Bend Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Sure. My point is the few fish working themselves out of Cloud 9 probably aren't having any significant impacts on the NFOW's resident 'bows. <{{{><
Justin Spencer Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 But I bet one would be surpised at the number that migrate out of there. That's good, it gives those who are poor fishermen like me a better chance at catching a rainbow. I know what a special place we have here, and don't care if a few stockers make it into the river. It is obvious with the number of fish that are well under what would be stocked that the vast majority (I would say 95% or more)of fish are born in this stream. If you don't want a guarantee of a wild rainbow then I guess you should stay away from this river and leave it those of us who don't care. I love fishing little streams for little wild fish, but I'll take big streams for big "most likely" wild fish over them anyday. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Chief Grey Bear Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 No, they do not stock the NFOW with 'bows periodically. Haven't for 45 years. Sure. My point is the few fish working themselves out of Cloud 9 probably aren't having any significant impacts on the NFOW's resident 'bows. No, your point was there has not been a stocker rainbow in the NFOW for 45 years. And as written, that is correct. And I agree it is not having any significant impact. Heck I don't think it is having any impact. I would guess it to be less than 1% of those stocked in Spring Creek that actually make it to the NFOW. I would also suspect that it would take some time for them to arrive also. Maybe 1-3 years. And by that time, nobody would be able to tell the difference anyway. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Chief Grey Bear Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 That's good, it gives those who are poor fishermen like me a better chance at catching a rainbow. I know what a special place we have here, and don't care if a few stockers make it into the river. It is obvious with the number of fish that are well under what would be stocked that the vast majority (I would say 95% or more)of fish are born in this stream. If you don't want a guarantee of a wild rainbow then I guess you should stay away from this river and leave it those of us who don't care. I love fishing little streams for little wild fish, but I'll take big streams for big "most likely" wild fish over them anyday. What are you getting all bent out of shape for??? Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
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