Danoinark Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 Butts I have to agree in principle with you if you are using conventional tapered knotless leaders...but I for one fish primarily furled or mono poly leaders. I prefer them because I hate leader memory. The best situation for me is a bit of heavy mono as a butt sectioin nail knotted to the flyline, then a loop to loop from leader to tippet. I make the loops very small. This may not work for everyone but I certainly like how the furled and the mono poly leaders turn over my flies. Dano Glass Has Class "from the laid back lane in the Arkansas Ozarks"
FlyFishinFool Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 I agree with Dano - If my flyline does not have a welded loop, or when the welded loop wears out/breaks, then I use Amnesia line (20lb or 25lb) and nail knot a small section to the fly line, then tie a Perfection loop on the end - this is the flyline butt for my loop-to-loop connection for using furled leaders, or any other type of leader. When I very infrequently use a tapered knotless leader, I just tie a Perfection loop in the butt end of the leader for a loop-to-loop connection. For the original question - a triple surgeon's knot will work fine for tying tippet to a tapered knotless leader, but you can tie a Perfection loop in the end of your leader, and then tie a Perfection loop on the end of your tippet for a loop-to-loop connection. This will eliminate the shortening of the leader each time you have to tie new tippet onto the leader, but the disadvantage is that it will pick up more moss/debris if you are fishing in an area with a lot of vegetation. Lastly, I suggest using a Davy knot for tying the tippet to the fly - it is the simplest knot to tie, easy to learn, and really strong! * ´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((((º> `•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((º> .¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((((º> I look in my fly box and think about what should guide my choice of the best fly: the amount/angle of sun on the water, the water temp & clarity, what bugs are hatching, what the fish might be eating, and what worked last time. Then I remember what an old man told me... " Ninety percent of what a trout eats is brown, fuzzy, about 1/2 inch long and underwater."
FlyFishinFool Posted April 27, 2011 Posted April 27, 2011 I missed the original posting date - did not see that this was a really OLD posting. By this time you could have grown your own fish! * ´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((((º> `•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((º> .¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((((º> I look in my fly box and think about what should guide my choice of the best fly: the amount/angle of sun on the water, the water temp & clarity, what bugs are hatching, what the fish might be eating, and what worked last time. Then I remember what an old man told me... " Ninety percent of what a trout eats is brown, fuzzy, about 1/2 inch long and underwater."
Cocry Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 I saw something was recently posted here and wanted to see if everyone thought the same. I never buy tapered leader. I have a spool of 4x monofilament which I nail knot to my fly line then use flourocarbon 5, 6x and use a surgeons knot from mono to flouro.
FlyFishinFool Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 The only problem with using straight mono for a leader is that when you are fishing for spooky fish, then you need to lengthen your leader, and the straight mono will have trouble turning over and laying out straight certain types of flies. Also, with a heavier fly the sharp transition from the fly line to light-weight straight mono can cause a hinging effect when you cast, which will slap your fly down with a very obvious splash. I have found it is better to use a furled leader and then tie the tippet directly to the tippet ring. If you contact Troy & Emma Simonton, you will find they have some very durable furled leaders that last a long time, and they sell them for less than 1/2 the price the big commercial places want. - http://www.thesimontons.com/Fishinggear.html * ´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((((º> `•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((º> .¸¸.•´¯`•.¸ ><((((((º> I look in my fly box and think about what should guide my choice of the best fly: the amount/angle of sun on the water, the water temp & clarity, what bugs are hatching, what the fish might be eating, and what worked last time. Then I remember what an old man told me... " Ninety percent of what a trout eats is brown, fuzzy, about 1/2 inch long and underwater."
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